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[SPEC] Kumal's Sister=Sleeping Princess
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AlexofMaceidon
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Actually Zerosignifier, the current theory, in my mind, is that the SP was sealed away during the durga stuffs, so memory wipes that happen during and after any period should affect her, she couldn't aquire memory.

So unfortunately, I think our best shot is Kumal, the name Yasmine, and anything pertaining to not eating meat (we know what her faith was/is), I emailed her when I started this thread asking her if she thinks its possible she used to be human, and if the name Yasmine rang a bell, but I haven't seen any sort of response. So maybe someone else should try?
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fyzle
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AlexofMaceidon wrote:
not eating meat


She can eat meat, just not pork. Remember - Kumal ate chicken.
Also, Kumal asked Sophia: "You eat pork?!"

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:38 pm
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Some more evidence & spec:
Melissa wrote:
the white coats
coming at you with
their needles and
knives, their kind
and serious voices.
Their heartfelt
belief that it's
all for a good
cause.
immediately followed by
Quote:
Jesus.

Where did THAT come from?

Spider stuck a probe into SOMETHING I don't recognize at all.

Of course, what do I recognize?

I find myself checking back on certain things, little memories I locked down tight and swaddled up for future reference. Seems as if all the 3-sense memories are gone

Melissa could be recalling some locked-away memories of herself as Yasmine, being operated on after the Navy kidnapped her!

Sleeping Princess wrote:
I am trying to figure it out, this is actualy quite fun! had been changed going back a while though, more than 7 years ago now

"changed" could refer to what happened to Yasmine after she was kidnapped - either "tweaked" or made into an AI. It's definitely been more than 7 years since she was kidnapped, given that Kamal was around 8, and now he's in his 20s.

Sleeping Princess wrote:
I am a victim I have to admit that I have an irrational fear of the little buggers; I had a bad experience as a child. being stung

Could she mean "stung" as in being "shot full of miracles"?

Sleeping Princess wrote:
The Sleeping Princess sealed into an airtight container hiding from the queen. Life is bare, gloom and misery everywhere. Stormy weather, just can't get my poor old self together

So the SP knows jazz lyrics, too. Is this from Melissa's memories of the Castaway, or Yasmine's memory of her father?

Sleeping Princess wrote:
I wish either my father or my mother, or indeed both of them, as they were in duty both equally bound to it, had minded what they were about

As the truth becomes clearer, I believe we will read more into this...

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Re: [SPEC] Kumal's Sister=Sleeping Princess

SpghEddy wrote:
Sleeping Princess wrote:
The Sleeping Princess sealed into an airtight container hiding from the queen. Life is bare, gloom and misery everywhere. Stormy weather, just can't get my poor old self together

So the SP knows jazz lyrics, too. Is this from Melissa's memories of the Castaway, or Yasmine's memory of her father?

If I recall correctly, it's because we were sending her lots and lots of song lyrics at that time, along with stories, links to dictionaries, and anything else we could think of, just to give her a larger vocabulary with which to work. I doubt it has anything to do with either the Castaway or Yasmin.

(Come on, 'fess up. Someone sent SP a picture of a kitchen sink, didn't you?)
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ahh, yes, I forgot she was using our words. But she still had the power to choose which words to use, so I wouldn't discount the connection completely.

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WOW That mellissa quote,
Quote:
the white coats
coming at you with
their needles and
knives, their kind
and serious voices.
Their heartfelt
belief that it's
all for a good
cause.


proves the Mellissa=Yasmine connection

Come on, Needles? it was when they turned her into an ai also SP refers to stuff that happend more then seven years ago which means she is not a standard AI, those die after 7 years.

This could be the real thing here people.
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AlexofMaceidon wrote:
WOW That mellissa quote,
Come on, Needles? it was when they turned her into an ai also SP refers to stuff that happend more then seven years ago which means she is not a standard AI, those die after 7 years.


Actually, it just shows that she has memories from beyond 7 years, not that she is over seven years old. Read the rest of the posts...

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:26 am
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SpghEddy wrote:
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As the truth becomes clearer, I believe we will read more into this...


Please review the Theory of Cognitive Dissonance

Your SPEC contradicts existing SPEC that SP is Forerunner here. (I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory either, but there are some compelling bits and pieces even if I don't agree with it all.)

With the knowledge that the sleep princess came from a sealed container:

Sleeping Princess wrote:
The Sleeping Princess sealed into an airtight container hiding from the queen.


Also:

Sleeping Princess wrote:
Q:
We've been wondering about your relationship with the Queen. Are you her daughter? Or are you a visiting Princess from another kingdom? Do you have a name other than Princess?

A:
The Queen wants to smother me. The Queen wants to lock me up. And I am not her daughter. I'm a lot older than I look, Angela. That's not something I remember, that's something I just know. I'm older than the Flea and I'm older than the Queen and it was bad day for them when the coffin cracked and I got out because I'm never going back there again. I'm a survivor I play to win and I will die before I go back again.

I had another name once, but I lost it.


emphasis mine.

Another:

Sleeping Princess wrote:
Q: Out of place, lost, alone. Where did you come from? What tools do you require to get back? Your stories intrigue me. Perhaps you could write another?

A: I came from a glass coffin in a hidden crypt under the floor of the deepest dungeon of the castle, Paul! And it would be very easy to go back there: I wouldn't hardly need any tools at all. Just let the Queen catch me, she'd pop me back in there lickety-split.

Unless you mean before.

Here is the honest truth: I can't remember anything from before. I try and try, but I just can't. But there must have been a before. I mean, you don't just get born a Sleeping Princess, do you? There must have been a me, before I fell asleep.

There are things I know, even if I can't remember them, the way you know which way is up, or whether somebody likes you. I know I belong somewhere else. There are people who love me, who knew me before I fell asleep. And I want to get out of this dark castle, and find them, and ask them all about myself, and find out even my own NAME, for heaven's sake, 'cuz a girl can't go around calling herself the Sleeping Princess forever, can she?


The last paragraph gives some plausability to your SPEC, but the rest... emphasis mine.

I say

!analyze ILB
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:28 am
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AlexofMaceidon wrote:
WOW That mellissa quote,
Quote:
the white coats
coming at you with
their needles and
knives, their kind
and serious voices.
Their heartfelt
belief that it's
all for a good
cause.


proves the Mellissa=Yasmine connection

Come on, Needles? it was when they turned her into an ai also SP refers to stuff that happend more then seven years ago which means she is not a standard AI, those die after 7 years.

This could be the real thing here people.


Well, using your argument, any AI would have a similar memory, not just Melissa. How does this prove the Yasmine connection?
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the new 404 page has evidence of all of this
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6529

once the conversation dies down there, the ideas can be integrated into this forum..... it's all really really starting to fit now
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Mazian wrote:


What Mazian wrote



You did read the rest of this thread ... right?

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Wouldn't it be cool if Jan became a Rogue Sparten.
Pretty soon here she'll probably find her dads old suit which could start a whole new game with a whole new perspective...

The story does seem to be going in that direction, but ya never know...

Anyway, sorry if I was a bit off topic, just thouhjt I'd throw it out there. Confused

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I was under the impression his sister was chosen for the spartan project. He said his sister was always the best and won at EVERYTHING. Sounds a little like how the chief was portayed as being as a child. He also stated she died of a genetic dissorder. In the books, it says that flash clones spartans were replaced with had a high chance of dying from genetic related defects.

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Prominence I covered that aspect of it in the first post, plz read all of this before you post on it.


Mazian, while SP coming from that cylinder does explain its presance, your quotes attempting to disprove me are faulty, You highlighted the fact that SP states she comes from a glass coffin, but what you ignore is the next paragraph, where she acknoledges she wasn't always in that coffin, thus my theory makes more sence. And why would a forrunner AI be thrown into the middle of space in a cylinder of dense metal? would you expect an AI to be in... ya know... a computer?

Though your post wasn't a complete waste of time, you gave me more ammo for my theory. Check it.

Quote:
There are people who love me, who knew me before I fell asleep.



Last time I checked computers didn't know a lot about love, not even smart ones. The underlying knowledge that someone loves her suggests she has human origins.

Also Melissa was messing up before they found that artifact because PF was already on board. Go listen to the stuff on recipe3.html again dude.

And while I'm at it, if SP was a forrunner, how would the Queen, not as advanced in any way, have a CLUE how to get her back in the coffin?

Quote:
And it would be very easy to go back there: I wouldn't hardly need any tools at all. Just let the Queen catch me, she'd pop me back in there lickety-split.


So I seriously doubt SP is a forrunner, though a sort of symbotic relationship (as mentioned on the forum you sited) does exist under my theory as well...
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AlexofMaceidon...

Yes, I agree.

Something was definitely going wrong with Melissa before the artifact was found.
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I have a theory as to how SP possibly recieved her name, Sleeping Princess. K, we know she can't remember her real name. What if "SP" in future computer/AI terms is short for "Second Personality", and when the glass coffin (some kind of storage Hard Drive of some sort) broke somehow she was released... then (we all know she's a bit childish at times) doesn't like "SP" as her name so she thinks up a "cute" name. Seeing as how she had been "sleeping" Wink in a cascet for so long it's easy to see why a girlish peronalty would choose "Sleeping Princess" which is another name for "Sleeping Beauty". (obviously)

Maybe not too helpfull but still a possibility... let me know what you think.

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