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[chaotic_mind]

[WILD SPEC] Princess as Forerunner AI/copy of Melissa

[Platonix]

Re: [WILD SPEC] Princess as Forerunner AI/copy of Melissa

[johnny5]

Let's have a look:
We know that a cylindrical artifact is taken aboard Melissa's ship.
We know the markings on the artifact are most likely Forerunner.
We know the artifact is mostly osmium with detected "Very faint magnetic fields in complex tracery"
We know that osmium is brittle even at high temperatures. (Imagine what it's like at "Three kelvin interstellar background")
We Know that osmium is the densest of all the elements and twice as dense as lead.
We know that dense metals are commonly used to contain electro magnetic and radiation fields.
We know that " something's going to have to touch it" to move it into the hold.
We know that the Sleeping Princess escaped from her "coffin" when it cracked.
We know that soon after the artifact comes aboard the ship, Melissa starts noticing strange behaviour.

So, what can we speculate based on these facts.
Whatever was encased in the cylinder was dangerous enough to require pure osmium to contain it. Thus, it can be speculated that the device in the cylinder can affect it's surroundings remotely.

Applying this knowledge, and building on chaotic_mind's [SPEC] yields interesting corroborating evidence.

Abandoned by parents: [SPEC] Whoever created the SP process felt it was, or had grown too dangerous and encased it in osmium and jettisoned it into space, with a nice warning label in Forerunese. Perhaps it was a learning, adaptable, self preserving AI.
Cracked Coffin: [SPEC} The dollybot bumped the device and, osmium being very brittle, it cracked. This crack allowed the contents to "escape"
Voodo: The spider moves things around to reconstruct Melissa. Melissa feels that things are moving parts of her around when onboard the ship.

To restate Chaotic's [SPEC] with modifications:
The SP escapes through the crack in the cylinder and infiltrates Melissa's core. She uses Melissa's routines and processes to expand her abilities. At some point, Melissa is corrupt enough that her ship (at this point assumed to be the Apocalypso) "crashes" out of slipspace into sub lunar orbit. The SP transfer's herself onto Jersey's computer. She doesn't know who she is because she built herself from Melissa's processes. She learns from her environment, just as she learned from the things we sent her to ILB. Melissa is a part of her, like a symbiotic relationship. She can access Melissa's memories.
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something missing. Can SP transcend time/space?
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SP and Melissa drop onto ILB. The SPDR, by rebuilding Melissa, rebuilds the SP as well. Melissa only remembers a crash, maybe the slipspace crash. The SP has no memories per se. she adds to her abilities through learning, not remembering. Analogous to "bitmap textures" vs "procedural textures". Bitmap textures are memory, procedural textures are formulas. In the end, they're both textures.

The pious flea is of course a Covenant spy process.
Under normal circumstances, Melissa would have no trouble with it, but she is overcome in her weakened state.


Good work, Chaotic. It's not as wild as you think.

--john--

[Astald]

But how could Melissa put SP back into the glass coffin if it is still in space and still in the future. The SP describes it in the lowest level of the Castle, so I think that it is something on the server.

[princeofthesword]

Praise, and slightly OT

[Platonix]

[johnny5]

[GunsmithCat]

I can't help but to have some doubts on SP being Forerunner.

1) Osmium alloys doesn't sound very glasslike to me
2) The dimensions of the artifact don't seem very coffin or casket-like either
3) We don't have any reasons -why- a Forerunner artifact would create SP.
4) Forerunner tech is generally wildly powerful. SP isn't.
5) If it was a Forerunner AI itself ... seems the artifact would more closely describe Guilty Spark's physical construct than say, a manhole.

[Shad0]

Re: [OT] The Far Side, Gary Larsen

[chaotic_mind]

Some responses

[princeofthesword]

Hmm, well I wasn't really referring to your spec in particular, Chaotic Mind, in saying that it's good not to get ingrained into a certain way of thinking. After reading your quote of me, I think I sounded a bit snippy, heh and I'm sorry if it was taken that way.

My goal was just to remind all of us (myself included) that things probably aren't as they seem, and we should think outside the bun as much as possible, as well as thinking logically. Personally, I loved your spec, and it makes the most sense to me. GC does bring up good points, though, but I'm leaning towards SP being a computer AI only, with no physical confinements, just virtual. Farewell.

[Martin The Great]

Perhaps the SP is the ILB server itself, which became sentient (an AI) when Melissa crashed into it? With glass coffin being the CPU (glass is silicon, isn't it?). That would explain her leaving messages in the corrupted pictures, editing the 404 message and exploiting the missing recipe3 link. And don't forget she can create new pages (lookingglass and yellowbrickroad). Last time I checked, the only other 'character' able to do that was the late SPDR, and it used those for archive reasons only. Disregard that part.

Edit 2: Whee, disproving my own theories is fun. See first post on page 2.

[chaotic_mind]

The Queen has been making pages in the same archive style as the Widow. So, all the entities except the flea can make new pages to the website.

And to princeofthesword, nah, it was taken as snipy or bad at all. I felt it WAS a useful thing to keep in mind. I was just being pedantic, and responded to correct the implication that there are no AIs in Halo that are older then seven years.

Luke P.

[Martin The Great]

[chaotic_mind]

The latest archives, post SPDR, can be found at http://ilovebees.com/reconstruction_archive.2.3.html

Contrast with the early SPDR style, http://ilovebees.com/surg.!store.primary.sector.mem.dmg.1.3.html.

I guess, really, it's speculation that the Queen is making these pages. Still, I think it can be assumed with some certainty that it's not the SPDR making the new archive pages.

edit-Indeed, you're right, Martin. We don't know who made them. I made a silly assumption. I don't think it's an automatic routine though, because of the way the new pages are in ordinary english.

Luke P.