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Anton P. Nym
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[SPEC] Kemal trapped in a "honey pot"? OMG... it just clicked in my head after finally hearing yesterday's axons.
* Sophia is pretty, intelligent, witty, a great cook, and hooked up with a "hoodlum" named Aiden.
* Kemal is a geeky computer genius who needs to read from an instruction manual on how to run a date.
So Mom sets Kemal up with Sophia from 42 light-years away, right? Not completely absurd, I guess. However...
* Aiden is a black-market immigration broker; a "people smuggler" who needs to provide illicit documents to his customers. Documents that Kemal can easily provide.
* Instead of breaking Kemal's fingers "with a tack hammer" (from "tack_hammer") for trying to steal his girl and for publicly humiliating him, Aiden offers Kemal a job.
* Aiden invites Kemal for an interview at Sophia's apartment ("bracelet") and Kemal eventually agrees ("my_family"). Note that Sophia is not present for this interview, despite cooking for it.
My connect-o-meter is pinging. Especially since I remember my old spy-novel-reading days. Sometimes in those novels they needed to recruit an agent by skullduggery. What better way than to trot out a pretty woman who needs his help?
The jargon term for this entrapment technique is a "honey pot". Heck of a coincidence with our favourite little buzzers, isn't it?
That's two lines of evidence that point to Sophia being a plant to draw Kemal over to Aiden. Then add in Durga's evidence in "exclusive_license" that police were speaking with Aiden at Sophia's apartment BEFORE Kemal visited, and I smell a trap.
It would be fairly easy for Aiden to either falsify a note from Mom or to intercept one and make sure that the real Sophia doesn't bother showing up. Far easier than to create false government records.
If I was a betting man, I'd say that Aiden had cased out Kemal for a while and found out his Mom's habit of trying to set her dear son up for matrimonial bliss. Needing some A1 hacking talent, he hires or recruits someone to play Sophia (I don't know if she needed to be able to cook native Coral cuisine... for all we know Aiden had the dinner catered and threw out the receipt) and draws Kemal out so that he can be compromised.
Then, threatened with the stick (or tack hammer) and drawn by the carrot (immigration of his family) Kemal is much more amenable to being recruited into Aiden's criminal enterprise.
I think Kemal is about to get in WAY over his head.
-- Steve hashed this out in email with some very nice folks... maybe someone else can find holes we can't, or maybe this'll help with others' spec!
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:22 pm
Captain Ferrell
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Nice SPEC! It seems not only plausible, but probable.
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:13 pm
krystyn
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I still wonder about those parasites, though! Or was that all just a way for her to ditch him?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:32 pm
johnny5
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krystyn wrote:
I still wonder about those parasites, though! Or was that all just a way for her to ditch him?
1. That was a different girl.
2. She didn't have parasites, he was talking about parasites and she bolted.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:43 pm
aliendial
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Fits very nicely. Oooh. Now I want to know what comes next. As long as it doesn't involve 20 axons in the DC area. Let me rephrase that - as long as it doesn't involve ANY MORE axons in the DC area.
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:23 pm
bcriswell
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Except that Aiden set up Kamal to be shaken down by that cop. I think Aiden wanted revenge but was more imaginative than the tack hammer.
*Edit* Scratch that. Memory failed me. Theory looks quite plausible.
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:54 am
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inio
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
* Instead of breaking Kemal's fingers "with a tack hammer" (from "tack_hammer") for trying to steal his girl and for publicly humiliating him, Aiden offers Kemal a job.
* Aiden invites Kemal for an interview at Sophia's apartment ("bracelet") and Kemal eventually agrees ("my_family"). Note that Sophia is not present for this interview, despite cooking for it.
tack_hammer comes after the cop, and after my_family. Listen in this order, the flow is perfect:
my_family.wav
shock_sticks.wav
trigeminal.wav
red.wav
i_hate_you.wav
tack_hammer.wav
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:24 am
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sherpa
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inio wrote:
tack_hammer comes after the cop, and after my_family. Listen in this order, the flow is perfect:
<snip>
Not to pour water on your fire or anything, but we already know that - the transcripts page and also elsewhere in threads have that order already, plus the preceding wavs. What's it got to do with the honey pot idea?
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:29 am
inio
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sherpa wrote:
Not to pour water on your fire or anything, but we already know that - the transcripts page and also elsewhere in threads have that order already, plus the preceding wavs. What's it got to do with the honey pot idea?
I figured that was known, but it contradicted the ordering in the first post. I've updated my post with a quote that I should have included the first time.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:42 am
MNPundit
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Definitely valid spec (and I'm taking logic classes now so I know validity!) but I disagree with it pretty fiercely, not on any substantive grounds, but more on grounds that its so.... over the top. I think I'd groan and hoped it was something better if what you said turns out to have been the case.
Now maybe, MAYBE, the premise was real and Aiden just decided to turn it to his advantage but wouldn't one think that the moms would contact the datees and ask how the date went eventually? It certainly seems like SOME time has passed and if they can set up dates from 42 ly away, you'd think they care to check on how it went, especially if Kamal is as clueless with women as it appears, and if Sophia seemed to be permanently single because she was hiding Aiden. If Sophia wasn't the original Sophia mightn't Kamal's mom find out? After all, we know he doesn't have the guts to blow off his mom if she wants to talk...
Personally I'm going with the simplest theory now and thats the story the wavs tell right out.
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:14 am
sherpa
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inio wrote:
I figured that was known, but it contradicted the ordering in the first post. I've updated my post with a quote that I should have included the first time.
that's better, thanks. Sorry, I'm turning into the local forum comprehension gestapo
I don't think the original post is affected by them being in the other order to listed. the OP is just saying that while Aiden could have gone menacing with a tack hammer -- as we find out later on -- he didn't. It's not really related to the order, but the content.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:21 am
CoffeeJedi
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krystyn wrote:
I still wonder about those parasites, though! Or was that all just a way for her to ditch him?
well, wouldn't YOU ditch a guy in the middle of dinner if all he could talk about were intestinal parasites? (might make ya a little queasy too)
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:47 am
Anton P. Nym
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MNPundit wrote:
Now maybe, MAYBE, the premise was real and Aiden just decided to turn it to his advantage but wouldn't one think that the moms would contact the datees and ask how the date went eventually?
It is a valid concern, but not fatal. The spoof only has to work until Aiden has what he wants... the honey pot is rarely used as a long-term recruitment tactic due to the resentment it builds. Kemal could end up in a dumpster if he's not careful. Honour among thieves, y'know.
Or if this is a long-term thing, Aiden could simply blackmail Kemal into giving the "authorised" version when Mom checks up. By cooperating with Aiden, Kemal has set himself up to go deeper.
These are both equally probable to having a socially-inept character encounter, and intrigue, such a rare and tailor-made match when his own efforts lead to conversations about liver flukes.
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Personally I'm going with the simplest theory now and thats the story the wavs tell right out.
Good idea. Following multiple tracks when facts are uncertain is the better idea... so that we don't miss a possibility that one theory would exclude but another would suggest.
-- Steve ain't saying that his is the only right interpretation, but it is sound enough to build on.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:17 pm
Avery1415
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How long is Aden's grasp? Could he find out mom had set up this date. delay the message long enough to charm his way into a relationship with the girl. I'm guessing system to system messaging is not as simple as the chatter net.
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:45 pm
ThunderRazor
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I think that it is possible that Sophia was a test to see how well Kamal could hack. She forgave Aiden very quickly, but do you remember how upset she was on the voice mail? That just seems like a ploy to test Kamal to me.
Also, Aiden said that he just wanted to see how well Kamal could work under pressure, hence he got the Cop to show up.
But I am not sure if Aiden would blackmail Kamal. See, in the business of smuggling and also trying to find a very good hacker, you can't just go around posting flyers. You also can't meet hackers and just ask them if they are good. First, you have to keep yourself somewhat secret, and second, you have to really test them. So Aiden methods might have been the only way to find a good hacker. However, something that contradicts what I am saying is that Sophia tells Kamal straight up that Aiden smuggles people to Earth. It wouldn't makes sense for her to give that information away so fast.
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