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[WILD SPEC] The .wavs take place years before Halo.
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chaotic_mind
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 		[WILD SPEC] The .wavs take place years before Halo.
Hello all,

Once again, I get an interesting idea barely supported by the evidence at hand, and decide to share it with you all. It's been sucessful in the past, so I hope I'm not too wild and crazy.

I apologize in advance for trouting. I've seen some speculations along these lines, but none of it was organized in a distinct thread. I also considered bumping one of the old "axons take place" threads, but this didn't seem to fit inside them. So, there ya go.

Anyway, Kamal's sister seems to be a SPARTAN. While there is no direct evidence for this assertion, it does seem possible and/or likely.

Consider:
- She possess the same traits that the SPARTAN program looked for.
- The instances of her "death" seems to indicate a flash clone, anotehr hall mark of the SPARTAN-II program.

If Kamal's sister was indeed taken to be part of the SPARTAN-II program, that would place the .wavs far before the events of Halo. Consider, Master Chief was taken in 2517 when he was six. By the events of Halo, Master Chief is approaching middle age.

(I'll save the implications if Kamal's sister is part of the hypothetical SPARTAN-III projects, or involved in Ackerson's black project, for a section in the end)

Thus, to leave Kamal a young med student, it gives a space of anywhere from 5 to 13 years. The year spaces really depend on you interpretation of events, but the events are definitely somewhere around the beginning of the augmentation process.

So the question becomes...what happened to Kamal's sister if she was indeed a part of the SPARTAN-IIs.

- She was one of the 32 to come through the process "intact".
- She was one of the 12 who are disabled by the process.
- she was one of the 31 who died.

The first is interesting, but ultimately a dead end in my mind. It presents definite story opportunities, but no real potenial for speculation

The second and third are much more interesting in this context. For example, thought the 12 were unable to become SPARTANS, but some took important positions in the Naval and military intelligence structure. Scientists, mission planners, and intelligence analysts. If this is the fate of Kamal's sister, it becomes especially interesting considering a potenial connection between Durga and the sister through ONI.

The third possibility can be address by considering that the dead brains could be used to construct smart AIs. SPARTAN candidates would be excellent potentials for a smart AI.

If Kamal's sister was indeed selected for the SPARTAN-II project, it would probably make Coral an outer colony. If I recall (but not certain, and I don't have my copy of The Fall of Reach anywhere near me) the SPARTAN candidates were selected mostly from outer colony populations.

Now, I've come to the point where I address the other possibilities.

As you know, there is the potential to have SPARTAN-IIIs and IVs. But there is no mention of them after 2525. The question is, where did they go?


Then there is Ackerson's black project. We don't know what it is, but if it does use humans it may have the same qualifications for admission that the SPARTAN-II program had. It may even be the SPARTAN-III project.

Each of these possibilites are as likely as the idea that she became a SPARTAN-II. It's just the SPARTAN-II idea suggests so many juicy connections to me, but your mileage may vary.

Tell me how it varies.

Luke P.

edit- alt_burgundy takes place after 2552. Now, if the recipe clips are in the same time frame as the other clips (a likely supposition) then the clips definitely don't take place before Halo. But, this spec still reveals something interesting. If the .wavs are "modern day" in terms of the Haloverse, Kamal's sister cannot be a SPARTAN-II.

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 		alt_burgundy? What's that?

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 		I think the possibility that Durga is based on Kamal's sister presents some very interesting possibilities. It would explain why she is so interested in Kamal, since it sounds like they were close before she was taken. Who knows what happens to the memories of an AI's "template mind" after the AI is activated. Maybe they don't get copied right.

And by the descriptions of AIs in the haloverse, what is a smart AI but a reflection of the mind it was based on?



This is some very nice spec, whatever else happens. Nice thinking Chaotic_Mind!

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 		She doesn't just have to be the template for Durga's mind. If Kamal's sister was involved in ONI black ops, she might've had a hand in programming/training Durga, before she showed up on Jersey's comp. sans memory.

In which case, perhaps Kamal's sister got curious about where she came from. Slipped something subliminal into Durga, beneath the high level functions where she wouldn't notice it.

It's all very interesting, which is why I suggested it. But unfortuantely, I'm doubtful that Kamal's sister is a SPARTAN-II. That would make Kamal much too old. Still there's the SPARTAN-III or succeeding projects (just why have we never heard aobut those?) and Ackerson's competing projects.

Luke P.

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 		Well, you haven't heard much about Ackerson's project and S-III's because it is entirely SPEC Razz. Ackerson is only in the novels a total of 4, maybe 5 times. I just happened to make some connections between him and Janissary James when I posted that S-III spec back with the first axon group.

With the new conversation between Jan and her grandmother (I still think its odd that "grandma" is an ex-marine), I'm not sure how it holds up now.

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Bobman wrote:


With the new conversation between Jan and her grandmother (I still think its odd that "grandma" is an ex-marine), I'm not sure how it holds up now.


Isn't it her "Aunt Gladys", not her grandmother.
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