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[SPEC] The ONI Conspiracy Spec Thread
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Crashless
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I didn't read the books, so someone please correct me if I'm way crazy on this spec:

All this stuff Melissa has been telling us, the story we're putting together, is supposed to lead to the creation of the Spartan program.

Am I Screwy ?

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Jubei
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Hey, Brand New Poster here. I first read about this whole thing on CHUD.com. The rant from one of the site contributors. I am now pretty much hooked! I actually bought Halo for PC to get a better idea of things. I've wanted to get Halo for a while anyway.

I just wanted to add my two cents here. I'm thinking that Durga and Melissa are the same; the AI that was on the Apocalypso was split, with one portion remaining in the Halo era (Durga), and the other portion getting sent back to us (Melissa). I thought some others have speculated this already. Has that been proven wrong?

It seems to make sense to me. I have listened to all the available WAVS and the wholly contstructed sound bytes that were recently put together. I've tried to catch up with all the other details as well, and everything else going on, but I could still be mistaken. Please forgive the newbie if this is already old hat.

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SpghEddy
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To take that idea a step further, check out this thread.

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fyzle
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Crashless wrote:
I didn't read the books, so someone please correct me if I'm way crazy on this spec:

All this stuff Melissa has been telling us, the story we're putting together, is supposed to lead to the creation of the Spartan program.

Am I Screwy ?


Yes. I read the first book yesterday - and it begins with the creation of the Spartan II program.

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fyzle
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Jubei wrote:
Hey, Brand New Poster here. I first read about this whole thing on CHUD.com. The rant from one of the site contributors. I am now pretty much hooked! I actually bought Halo for PC to get a better idea of things. I've wanted to get Halo for a while anyway.

I just wanted to add my two cents here. I'm thinking that Durga and Melissa are the same; the AI that was on the Apocalypso was split, with one portion remaining in the Halo era (Durga), and the other portion getting sent back to us (Melissa). I thought some others have speculated this already. Has that been proven wrong?

It seems to make sense to me. I have listened to all the available WAVS and the wholly contstructed sound bytes that were recently put together. I've tried to catch up with all the other details as well, and everything else going on, but I could still be mistaken. Please forgive the newbie if this is already old hat.


Old hat - read the "Kamal's sister = Sleeping Princess" thread.

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Arana wrote:
I believe that the interruptions are not simultaneous. There is compelling evidence in the clips that this is the case.

For example, there is no question that the interruption that is at the start of "emergency" must be long after the interruption that is at the start of the first Jan sequence. The first Jan sequence starts when she is doing the break-in. She is then moved to the police station and questioned. Then after she leaves the station it is apparently torched by J^2's associates. The interruption at the start of "emergency" must therefore occur after Jan has left the station, and thus long after the first interruption.

From the new compiled clips that the Sleeping Princess "commandeered" for us on humptydumpty.html, we now know that "emergency" goes at the very end of the first Jersey-Durga sequence. So yes, it's long after the interruption at the start of the first Jan sequence, but no, that doesn't mean that the interruptions at the beginning of each of the three sequences -- four if you count the recipe3 clips, which I do -- were not all simultaneous, occurring when the Apocalypso crashed out of slipspace with the mysterious cylinder artifact.

From standish.wav:

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Oh, surely the blast that knocked the ship out of the slipstream and took down the whole planet's comm channels erased all the computer records.

From harmony.wav:

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Like a new piece of Covenant technology capable of crippling an entire solar system's C&C channels?

I think it's pretty clear that all four sequences began at roughly the same time, and that they did in fact begin with simultaneous communications problems (as many other people speculated long ago when the clips first appeared). What other contrary evidence do you see?
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Crashless wrote:
I didn't read the books, so someone please correct me if I'm way crazy on this spec:

All this stuff Melissa has been telling us, the story we're putting together, is supposed to lead to the creation of the Spartan program.

Am I Screwy ?


The time line is all wrong for that. The SPARTAN program (or ORION) began before the discovery of the Covenant. As has been evidenced in the files we have 'recovered', this plot-line takes place just prior to to the Covenant invasion of Earth. (definitely after their failed attack on Sigma Octanus IV and their glassing of Jericho VII). So yes, you are Screwy
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devolver
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Atrophied wrote:
The time line is all wrong for that. The SPARTAN program (or ORION) began before the discovery of the Covenant. As has been evidenced in the files we have 'recovered', this plot-line takes place just prior to to the Covenant invasion of Earth. (definitely after their failed attack on Sigma Octanus IV and their glassing of Jericho VII). So yes, you are Screwy


Here's some good links to read up.

First, the Halo Story page. It has a timeline based on Halo: Fall of Reach:
http://halosm.bungie.org/story/for.timeline.html

Second, the Halo Library. It has a more general timeline that covers a longer time period and includes the events in Halo: First Strike:
http://library.psyjnir.net/?id=122
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daboking
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wow, devolver! those links were great. shot down a lot of ideas i had, but well worth it to be on the right track since i have not read the books.

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Crashless
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Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant that WE, HERE, NOW in 2004 are supposed to put together the story to find out about the Covenant, and get the ideas of genetic enhancement to create our only hope against a highly advanced enemy. It would be a cool tie in, that's all I was spec'ing.

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ah yes, the paradox Smile... like transparent aluminum would never have been invented if Scotty from the future hadn't given the formula to the scientist in our time... so who really invented it? hmm..... who concocted the Spartan program if started the research knowing about them in the future? hmm..... Cool
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FauxHammer
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new(?) spec

-err... post moved to a thread where it fits better-

edit: and crap! its already been said there.

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Here's my new [SPEC] regarding this new set of audio following Ronnie's adventure:

I'm pretty convinced that the ONI Operative isn't Jersey's father Jason Morelli.

What made me conclude to that was the idea back to the original audio set of Jersey/Durga. Jersey mentioned how his father likes listening to Jazz and Swing, and reflects on how those musicians put their whole soul into that sound, and the whole rootin' for the hometeam. Sounds like a righteous man. We're convinced that he's the same "Old Man/Castaway" and the "Grumpy Old Man" from Troy.

But then the ONI Operative reveals his voice from the GOM to being the ONI Operative with the young recruit. Then there's this: Ronnie discovers (after being hired into the ONI league) that that entire phone conversation is false - everything about it is false. Well, so there was no evacuation of Troy. It did get glassed along with its human colonies. But were there Marines stationed at the planet as it was glassed? Did the Marines deployment to Troy exist at all?

Why would a righteous man - Jersey's dad - let Troy get purged by Covenant fleets? How can a guy who's involved in the Radio Beacon Deployment Program have that kind of access?

Perhaps he isn't the right man?

I'm thinking it's Colonel James Ackerson doing the "Grumpy Old Man" routine. He has strong power in ONI. He's willing to do anything just to get recognized. He's willing to sacrifice lives just for that hero's status. Regardless, I'm still convinced that Colonel James Ackerson has some role in this game.

EDIT:

I'm also thinking that this "Jason" that's marrying Ronnie's cousin (whose name hasn't been mentioned) is possibly Jersey's father (Jason Morelli). Remember: The Covenant just glassed Reach.

The timeline fits.


(Yeah, please omit that last paragraph. Realized overnight that Jersey worried about his dad after hearing that Reach fell.

Here's the next set of Ronnie.
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Ceantari wrote:

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Well, so there was no evacuation of Troy. It did get glassed along with its human colonies. But were there Marines stationed at the planet as it was glassed? Did the Marines deployment to Troy exist at all?


Everything in the tone of voice of Ronnie's boss screams LIAR!!!
She is hiding information. The military does not want the population
to know that the Covenant are coming, that there is no hope. And more
importantly, they don't want it to get out that they can read the
Covenant's mail.

What Ronnie was saying about the conversation with the old man being
false was that his story, his identity, the number he was calling from
were all false.

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Ceantari wrote:
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I'm also thinking that this "Jason" that's marrying Ronnie's cousin (whose name hasn't been mentioned) is possibly Jersey's father (Jason Morelli). Remember: The Covenant just glassed Reach.
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The transcripts for the latest Ronnie waves are here.

In old_maid, and light_a_candle, we find out that Ronnie's cousin's name is Sara-John.

And Jason's full name is "Jason Gatlingburg Pope", in riled_up.

I'm betting against your SPEC based on the implied age of the characters.
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