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[Puzzle - Solved] Betrayal
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 		[Puzzle - Solved] Betrayal
Medic's command word is "betrayal"

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//Captured by CC32 on April 29th, 2004
//RUNNING FILE: coffee_room/regrets.txt
//Vargus: You ever have regrets General?
//Rockwell: Of course I have, General. Skip the formalities Vargus.
//Vargus: Sorry, I always get fluffy around females.
//Rockwell: Look, you're the new guy. No one cares. Just keep doing your job like the rest of us.
//Vargus: ... How did you get here Rockwell?
//Rockwell: Hrm? *sips*
//Vargus: You don't seem like the type for this sorta job.
//Rockwell: Yeah, I know.
//Vargus: And you have a family, from what I hear.
//Rockwell: HAD a family.
//Vargus: Oh... I'm sorry.
//Rockwell: Thanks.
//Vargus: Your husband?
//Rockwell: Yeah.... killed in a car accident. He was driving my son home from pre-school.
//... he suffered a mild head injury and hasn't been right since...
//Vargus: My god... why are you here?
//Rockwell: Money to support Emily and Brian.......
//Vargus: That can't be just it.
//Rockwell: And I like what I do.
//Vargus: That's understood. Shadown's got a good group here.
//Rockwell: Truly.
//Rockwell: Crap. Excuse me, I almost forgot my medication.
//Rockwell: Blood pressure and all that.
//Vargus: Right. Heh, I know how it is.
//Rockwell: Talk to you later Vargus. Hopefully before the next meeting.
//Vargus: Right.


As for the page itself, the title bar says "Rest in Peace".

There is the following text:
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 <I am----------------- the

<------------------------------------------------------true power

<-----------------------of the--------------

<-----------------------------------------------------------------------amerauder.


The proceding text displays over a woodcut of a young knight leaning on his sword in a battle field. Knights on horses are in the background looking at something off in the distance. Since the name of the file is "bloodenemy", I think it's safe to say that this is a picture of Mordred.

To the left of this is a corrupted image of a woodcut of the Lady of the Lake giving Excaliber to Arthur... Or perhaps it's Sir Bedivere giving it back to her .... I think it's the latter. I've seen that one before and I recall it being next to the description of what the Lady of the Lake did before her arm and the sword dissapeared into the water.

Since the name of this image is "regret", I think it's safe to say that it is in fact the latter. As Arthur lay bleeding to death, he asked Bedivere to throw the sword into the Lady's lake. Bedivere went to the edge of the lake but couldn't bring himself to toss Excaliber into the lake, so he hid the sword and went back to Arthur. Arthur asked Bedivere what happened when he threw the sword back, and of course knew when Bedivere tried to lie. So, reluctently, Bedivere did as he was told. When he tossed Excaliber to the lake, the Lady's hand reached out, caught it, waved it three times, then then dissapeared into the lake.

In other news:
"Amerauder" is a Welsh title attributed to Arthur.

That's all I recall off the top of my head. I'll have to do more digging.
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 		Re: [Puzzle] Betrayal
HitsHerMark wrote:
Medic's command word is "betrayal"

The proceding text displays over a woodcut of a young knight leaning on his sword in a battle field. Knights on horses are in the background looking at something off in the distance. Since the name of the file is "bloodenemy", I think it's safe to say that this is a picture of Mordred.


You are right, this illustration is drawn by H.J. Ford and is called "Sir Mordred".

HitsHerMark wrote:

To the left of this is a corrupted image of a woodcut of the Lady of the Lake giving Excaliber to Arthur... Or perhaps it's Sir Bedivere giving it back to her .... I think it's the latter. I've seen that one before and I recall it being next to the description of what the Lady of the Lake did before her arm and the sword dissapeared into the water.

Since the name of this image is "regret", I think it's safe to say that it is in fact the latter. As Arthur lay bleeding to death, he asked Bedivere to throw the sword into the Lady's lake. Bedivere went to the edge of the lake but couldn't bring himself to toss Excaliber into the lake, so he hid the sword and went back to Arthur. Arthur asked Bedivere what happened when he threw the sword back, and of course knew when Bedivere tried to lie. So, reluctently, Bedivere did as he was told. When he tossed Excaliber to the lake, the Lady's hand reached out, caught it, waved it three times, then then dissapeared into the lake.


Right again, the original picture is drawn by the same artist and is called "Excalibur Returns to the Mere". Both are illustrations from the book King Arthur: The Tales of the Round Table. Ed. Andrew Lang, New York, Longmans, Green and Co., 1902. See them at:
http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/illustrators/ford_mordred.htm
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http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/illustrators/ford_excalibur_returned.htm

The 'Excalibur Returns to the Mere' picture is obviously altered greatly. Maybe stegged content????

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 		Re: [Puzzle] Betrayal
Virgil wrote:

The 'Excalibur Returns to the Mere' picture is obviously altered greatly. Maybe stegged content????


I've looked through it in WordPad and I found nothing.

I also took it into photoshop and attempted a few different color filters to see if there were any "butterfly" type messages. Nothing again.

I need to get to work.
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 		After some google'ing I have found the whole text of the legend (together with the illustrations) on sacred-texts.com. The url for the part in which we are probably most interested is:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/trt/trt26.htm

This is the chapter of the story that contains both illustrations.

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 		Ok, well no one has outright said it, so I'm going to. This definitively proves that Emily's mother is the Rockwell involved in Project Gateway. That is how Emily is involved. She either has no clue, as I suspect, or she is completely in the know and is covering to save Stephen... So point is that Emily NEEDS to get into her mother's computer. Nuff said.
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Dorkmaster wrote:
Ok, well no one has outright said it, so I'm going to. This definitively proves that Emily's mother is the Rockwell involved in Project Gateway. That is how Emily is involved.


I don't understand. How does the legend of King Arthur prove that???

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 		The Legend does not... however, the conversation (see HHM's post at the top of the thread) does confirm (for all intents and purposes) this theory for me. If you have concerns based on fact, let me know, but otherwise, I say Em's mom is rockwell (as we've suspected) and that her computer must hold a secret, as she's the only living contact that we have currently that is on the evil side of CC32 and project gateway into nightmares...

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 		Lady of the lake
I have tried to input different names of the lady of the lake in the command prompt to no avail. I found this page :
http://www.kingarthursknights.com/others/ladylake.asp

which gives a few possible names for her including Vivien, Nineve, Nimue, and Nineane, Nyneve, and Vivian.

Just trying to help, back to work.
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Dorkmaster wrote:
The Legend does not... however, the conversation (see HHM's post at the top of the thread) does confirm (for all intents and purposes) this theory for me.
-DM


Oh, yes, sorry. I was thinking mostly about the puzzle in the page Very Happy .
I think that maybe the text by the picture is actually a partial key as it starts with "I am...". Maybe we are supposed to fill the blanks, denoted by -----'s with something? But if every "-" denotes a letter, I think that the key will become too long. Then maybe the count of the "-"s matters:

I am (17) the
(54) true power
(23) of the (14)
(71) amerauder.

This way we could have the sentence "I am the true power of the amerauder" (What could be the true power of the emperor - King Arthur - the sword or maybe something else? Maybe the legend has the answer). In addition to that we have the numeric sequence 17,54,23,14,71.

Any ideas???

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 		I'll add a bit of my own SPEC here. In a way it makes sense for this page to be found from Medic (the healer). I say that because as long as Arthur the scabbard of Excalibur, he would not lose any blood no matter how badly he was injured. Thus we find a possible refrence to a healing artifact from the page of the healer.

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 		I'll add a bit of my own SPEC here. In a way it makes sense for this page to be found from Medic (the healer). I say that because as long as Arthur the scabbard of Excalibur, he would not lose any blood no matter how badly he was injured. Thus we find a possible refrence to a healing artifact from the page of the healer.

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 		Here's a possibility:

I've gone over the modified image myself, and I can't find anything either. Maybe it was obscured so that it would be difficult to tell what image it was--and the solution to the puzzle lies in determining the source image, which we have done. I notice the full original plate has a phrase written on the bottom which the modified version does not: "Excalibvr retvrns to the mere" Part of the solution?

As for the question, what is the true power of the amerauder, the story Virgil linked to shed no light for me.
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 		As I said before, "Amerauder" is an early title used when reffering to Arthur. The book where I read about this is either in a box in my garage or has been donated... So until I, hopefully, find which box, I have to use google to refresh my memory.

Many of the oldest mentions of Arthur come from Wales, and "amerauder" is a welsh word meaning "emporer". So if we believe that the words displayed over the picture of Mordred are a quote, and we wanted to find that quote, we're looking for a text of Welsh origin.

And thus, Thomas Malory's "La Morte de Arthur" is right out.
(Though I did do a search through Project Gutenberg's version of it for "amerauder" to no avail just in case.)

Arthur pops up in quite a lot of Welsh lore, so I also did a search though both versions they had of The Mabinogion (which is more or less the Welsh equivalent of Beowolf... Sort of the defining example of Welsh Folklore, and is mostly about Arthur) for "amerauder"... And again, I came up with nothing...

Which is strange and disapointing to say the least...

If I had to guess at a likely place in the story for such things to be said, based on the clues I would have to say that it comes at the end of Arthur's life... (The, the pasword is betrayal which is used to describe both Mordred's attempt to userp Arthur's thrown as well as Sir Bedivere's desire to keep Excalibur. The page is called "rest in peace". And both woodcuts are of events very shortly before Arthur's death.)

I would be so bold as to say that I think it might be a riff on Arthur's famious epitath. "I am Arthur Pendragon the once and future King... Blah blah blah"

I'll see if I can find the actual epitath anywhere online.

Annother mode of thought is that it actually means "I am the true power of the amerauder"...

So I seem to be good at making lists of things...

Things to which it could be said that Arthur owed his power:
1. Merlin
2. Taliesin (Not the same as Merlin actually. But they are connected through the stories of the white and red dragons.)
2. The Lady of the Lake
3. Excalibur
4. The Round Table (i.e. - His knights)
5. Magic
6. Destiny
7. Devine right (The mandate by god, that he should be King.)
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 		Arthurs power,
I did find the excerpt which makes the arguement that Excaliburs' Scabbard
held the power of Arthur:

Quote:
As they rode the King looked lovingly on his sword, which Merlin saw, and, smiling, said, Which do you like best, the sword or the scabbard? 'I like the sword,' answered Arthur. 'You are not wise to say that,' replied Merlin, 'for the scabbard is worth ten of the sword, and as long as it is buckled on you you will lose no blood, however sorely you may be wounded.

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