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CoffeeJedi
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JackBurt0n wrote:
Did anyone else besides me download the new sound clips that SP alluded to? Please tell me someone else figured that out.

edit: d'oh...i'll save someone else the time...

Trout

-Jack


that was tuesdays round of puzzlelicious action, the "games" that SP was refering to
the "story" was sent to her by someone named Sara (one of us?) so she used it as a cute way of reminding us of the file names

check out this thread:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6453
to see what went down, it was alot of fun!
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 		on the second time...
never mind...

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CoffeeJedi wrote:

the "story" was sent to her by someone named Sara (one of us?) so she used it as a cute way of reminding us of the file names


Yes, Sara is me. Smile When those new wav filenames came out, I wrote that story on the fly as something little and cute and sent it to SP because I thought she might like it. Guess she did!

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CoffeeJedi
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Trynian wrote:
I think CoffeeJedi hit it on the head...remember, she was in a completely new system, and didn't even know the right protocols to send data. English probably was not what she was referring to.

As to the assumption that Perdita is SP...I think it's very strongly implied. Why is SP telling the story? To make herself feel better...it's a psychological exercise. Why would someone perform a psychological exercise on someone else? And why does she have such a personal investment in the story ("And that's the end. The end. The end. I'm sorry. I wanted to make the story come out happy, but it didn't. They don't sometimes. I think I need to go now. ")? Because it's her story, an allusion to her past, and she just doesn't want to admit it.

My theory? Given the nature of the story, I agree with those who think it represents a child being taken from her parents and turned into an AI. I don't have Halo: The Fall of Reach on me, but I seem to remember reading that human-based AI's like Cortana are actually created by using a human brain to begin with, but gradually the brain is somehow consumed by electronic equivalents of neuron (someone please verify this). We only know of one child to whom this happened, and that is Kamal's sister, so I think it's either her or a new character. If it is her, it means that she must have failed the Spartan physical augmentation process without actually dying, and thus ended up serving in a different manner, in a similar fashion to John-117's squadmate Fahyad.

We'll see. I'm looking forward to more information!

Edit: Oh, and yeah, I found myself shivering at the end of the story. Any here seen "City of Lost Children"? Yeah...it's like that.


exactly
i dont think she even failed the "spartan" program... Kamal never talks about his sister being physically extraordinary like Jan, just incredibly bright and quick to learn, and she loved to play mentally challenging puzzle games. she was just taken for her mind

edit: nevermind that bit..... she WAS the fastest strongest bestest.... whoops!

yay alaranth! (anyone ever tell you that your tatoo looks like Trogdor?)
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 		Re: on the second time...
zerosignifier wrote:
...maybe i'm trouting...


killer.jpg has been different each time you load it for a while.

First unforum link referencing killer.jpg is here Posted: 2004-07-27, 09:07.
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
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i dont think she even failed the "spartan" program... Kamal never talks about his sister being physically extraordinary like Jan, just incredibly bright and quick to learn, and she loved to play mentally challenging puzzle games. she was just taken for her mind...


uhh... beg to differ on the "physically extraordinary" comment:

At thebruce's website he has a transcript of all of the different wavs.

unstoppable.wav wrote:
Kamal: Genetic disorder. It's funny, you know, when she was little, she was unstoppable. I mean, the best you ever saw.
Sophia: The best at what?
Kamal: Everything! Smartest, fastest, strongest, brattiest.


That last line pretty much says it all I think...

very_lucky wrote:
Kamal: When she was 4, I taught her to play backgammon. I was 8. I won the first 2 times we played, and then never again.
Sophia: (laughing) You must suck.
Kamal: I'm nearly sure she could throw certain numbers when she wanted to.


your_fault wrote:
Kamal: I used to take her out for walks, I would push her wheelchair around places we used to play, the swings, and... she didn't even recog... Jasmine never lost at anything! Anything... I just couldn't believe that she-

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Trynian wrote:
I I don't have Halo: The Fall of Reach on me, but I seem to remember reading that human-based AI's like Cortana are actually created by using a human brain to begin with, but gradually the brain is somehow consumed by electronic equivalents of neuron (someone please verify this).


I believe Cortana was built base on Dr. Halsey's brain. So, I don't think the proccess ruins the brain.

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Necroscope wrote:
Trynian wrote:
I I don't have Halo: The Fall of Reach on me, but I seem to remember reading that human-based AI's like Cortana are actually created by using a human brain to begin with, but gradually the brain is somehow consumed by electronic equivalents of neuron (someone please verify this).


I believe Cortana was built base on Dr. Halsey's brain. So, I don't think the proccess ruins the brain.


Cortana was built using a flashcloned copy of Dr Halsey's brain. The process of creating an AI does destory a brain. Here is the reference material.

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Artificial Intelligence was developed by the UNSC in cooperation with ONI. The process of creating an AI is different than most people realize. Instead of simply "programming" an AI, the AI matrix is actually created by sending electric bursts through the neural pathways of a human brain which are then replicated in a superconducting nano-assemblage. This destroys the original brain tissue however, and so the brain being used could only be obtained after the host had died. However, in some instances, as in the case of the AI "Cortana", the candidate brain was flash-cloned and had it's memories transferred to the recepticle organs so that the host, Dr. Catherine Halsey, could remain alive.
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CoffeeJedi
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 		ok... we're getting a bit off topic here.... the whole Halsley Brain / Cortanna has been trouted TO DEATH in numerous other forums.... in fact, the discussion we're on now, SP=Jasmine even has its own TOPIC here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6414

back to the 404 page, noone's even mentioned that she tried to teach the flea to play checkers yet........ oh bug of very little brain Smile
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There was a scrabble of claws behind her. "I told you not to do that," the Clockwork Rat said, with a voice like shell casings rattling on a steel floor. Whirling around in dismay, Perdita saw that the Rat had climbed to the top of the phone boot where Perdita had tied her last red balloon. As the little girl watched, the Rat flexed its paws and put its little hooked scissor claws around the string.


This leads me to belive that there is a phone out there that is ringing that we have to find the cords and time to. the last axon point that leads to melissa/princes/dugra or what ever spec you like. If the balloons/axon points are a trail to her then there must be a puzzle in the axon points themeslves that we have missed.

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 		quick apology for the minor thread jack here but is there anywhere in the forums (i've been sifting through them today but to no avail) with the compiled chapter 3 files?

hope everyone has a good weekend

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 		Here is a link all the assembled files

http://www.argn.com/archives/ilb/index.php?q=f&f=%2F%3D%3D%3DASSEMBLED+FILES%3D%3D%3D

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 		No, I do not think it's off-topic, nor trout, friend. The whole point is that in Perdita's story we get something we get nowhere else in ilovebees.com: a description of the systematic replacement of a human with a machine. All we did was confirm that, yes, this is an accurate summation of the process by which an AI is formed from a human brain.

I for one didn't realize how creepy that actually is until I read Perdita's story.

Out of curiosity, what does teaching the Flea to play checkers signify? We already know that she's been making smalltalk with him, even stooping to his level just so she could have a meaningful conversation...what additional information does this give us?

As for the rat eliminating the last balloon...my impression is that he's been doing this all along, with every balloon, just as he's been slowly turning her into clockwork, and that this is just the first time she's caught him. That would explain why her parents never found her...it also ties into the Hansel and Gretel reference, given that the breadcrumb trail they leave is eaten by birds. Sinister...

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 		i wasn't saying that it wasn't related... just that it's been trouted to death... i didn't chastise you for bringing it up, because you worked it quite nicely into your spec

i was just worried that Necroscope's question and Maizen's relpy were going to veer us into charted-so-much-they-built-a-resort-there territory

as for the flea and checkers? i dont know, it just stuck out as humorous, and noone mentioned it yet
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
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i was just worried that Necroscope's question and Maizen's relpy were going to veer us into charted-so-much-they-built-a-resort-there territory
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Heard. thanks for bringing us back on track. Smile nuff said
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