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Epic1980
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this is getting funnny to read, listen (or read the clips)
James is a Spartan-I

Quote:
Jan: (sarcastic) Sure, dad. You were an 'elite commando' with 'metal bones' and a flame-thrower attachment that the marines dropped in when the tack nukes weren't enough.
James J: Not paranoid mythology, a real Spartan.
Jan: There were real ones?
James J: WE were real. We were all volunteers, the 1.0's. These things they call Spartans now...
Jan: --it's different?
ames J: There's a new program... we went through some tweaks, but it's still just me in here. The 2's... now, the 2's aren't even human any more.
Jan: But, you are...?
James J: All too much.


edited to make it look nicer
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omnistegan wrote:
i don't think there is any way we can say if hes even in a wheelchair or not.

Assuming that "he" means "J2", not true: people in wheelchairs don't make the sound of footsteps when walking down a hallway to visit a war buddy. Smile

Success rate on the SPARTAN-II was disturbingly low, and a disturbingly high proportion of the "failures" ended up dead.

The remainder were NOT in shape for further combat training... remember that some had to be supported in fluid immersion tanks to avoid futher injury due to bone malformations. Fahjad was confined to a wheelchair due to Parkinson's disease, brought on by maladaption to the neural augments. Both of these are not possible for J2... he walks and he speaks without verbal tremula.

The other big medical complication was blindness, and J2 can drive. (law_abiding.wav, from the first series of clips.)

All these lead me to believe that J2 was NOT a SPARTAN-II. And graduates of SPARTAN-III or Ackerson's project would be too young to be parents of a 17-year-old.

I'm inclined to believe that "one-point-oh" means exactly that... that J2 was part of a SPARTAN program that preceded John-117's.

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Anton P. Nym wrote:

-- Steve knows that there are alternatives, but this is the simplest interpretation of the data.


i think its a lock, its completely supported in-game

i'm still not sure WHY he pumped Jan "full of miracles" when she was born, the stupid_cop makes it seem like it was her parents' choice, not a clandestine millitary order
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Total spec, of course, but I think Jan got juiced up by her folks in an effort to create some kind of "Homefront Defense." Like James and Gilly expected the Covies to reach Earth eventually, so they decided to form an anti Covenant militia. In the process, they decided to augment their daughter in order to maximize the number of strong soldiers.

Gilly certainly has that "malajusted war veteran likely to join a militia" demeanor about her. Thoughts?
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Let's not forget what "Jan" is short for as well -- "Janissary".
That could mean something more now that we are sure her parents were Spartan-I's.

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[SPEC]

We have to take what Jimmy James says for face value: He is a Spartan I. What we know about Spartan I's from the books is that they were an all volunteer program (I believe primarily made up of ODSTs) that ultimately failed (I seem to recall bits about how when they were using some type of MJOLNIR armor, the suit moved them so quickly that it broke the bones of the wearer).

So now we've got two Spartan I's who've had a kid. I think someone earlier touched upon the idea that Jan was bred from two Spartan I's with the plan to use her in a subsequent Spartan program. I think this idea is quite possible. I don't think we know yet the cicumstances surrounding the "hook-up" of James and Gilly, only that they didn't stay together after the birth of their daughter. Thus it seems highly possible they were forced or coerced into breeding, with Section-III hoping to have the perfect children for the next batch of Spartan II's (hence the reason Jan was tweaked up). However, James may have decided that he didn't want his daughter to go through the ordeal, and so took her away and they are hiding on Earth (could be the case with numerous forced-bred children, hence all the people Jan doesn't know that could get hurt).

[meta] So what relevance does any of this have to Halo 2? I had an idea that CountZero has already sorta beat me to posting, and that's that maybe at some point in Halo 2, the Master Chief runs into an underground militia that helps him fight the Covenant, which Jan, Gilly, James, and possibly even some of the other characters in the clips are a part of. And our gift for playing along with this ARG is we get to know the backstory of these characters we meet in Halo 2 (which I believe someone theorized as a possible reward a while back - not to say that this is the only reward).
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Re: [SPEC]

SecondSundodger wrote:
[meta] So what relevance does any of this have to Halo 2? I had an idea that CountZero has already sorta beat me to posting, and that's that maybe at some point in Halo 2, the Master Chief runs into an underground militia that helps him fight the Covenant, which Jan, Gilly, James, and possibly even some of the other characters in the clips are a part of. And our gift for playing along with this ARG is we get to know the backstory of these characters we meet in Halo 2 (which I believe someone theorized as a possible reward a while back - not to say that this is the only reward).


GOod point about the broken bones. I don't remember who was wearing the armor, but I definitely remember that part from the books. But I'm sure someone on these boards who has read the books more recently can fill us in.

I also find myself agreeing with the relevance to Halo 2. As I've said before, if MC is going to try to repel the Covenant from Earth (as opposed to just nuke them), he's going to need more help than 2 or 3 other SPARTANs.
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Re: [SPEC]

devolver wrote:
GOod point about the broken bones. I don't remember who was wearing the armor, but I definitely remember that part from the books. But I'm sure someone on these boards who has read the books more recently can fill us in.


Well, it hasn't been that long for me, and what I remember is that it was a tech guy ( or more the one ) that were trying to use it and broke limbs, not a Spartan-I
(no book here at work to check)
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omnistegan wrote:
these are the times you wish you had broken into bungie and photocopied the halo bible. Anyway, I believe its likely that he was part of the Spartan-II project and one that had failed the physical upgrades. The book certainly does not go into detail about all of "fallen" spartans, and thier circumstances, so i think its very possible that he could be one, i don't think there is any way we can say if hes even in a wheelchair or not. It sounds as if Jan was, as she has said: "tweaked up" she goes on to say not like her parents but still. And recently we have found that she is tactical and a good fighter, even if shes not using these skills for good. I do certainly believe that she could have been "bred from birth" to be a spartan, maybe there was a complication, the fall of reach states that half of the spartans fell to complications, but she wasnt seriously hurt. Maybe she is yet to be recruited for military, I don't know, well have to just wait and see.


Welcome aboard unfiction, and I mostly concur with your reasoned SPEC.

I don't think that J 2 is a SPARTAN-II. Not even a fallen one. I am also not convinced that Jan is "destined for the military" in any "military project" sense of the phrase.

Still, she may join, and we can see why with Reach falling, and with both her parents being SPARTAN 1.0's. She's tweaked up enough to have a good chance of being a marine, provided she can keep her mouth shut and follow orders. (Sadly, the people who are her superiors would most likely be much less intelligent than she is.)
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Okay spec on J^2 ang Gillie's hookup here. She really doesn't seem to be the type of person who would be capable of raising a child. That would definitely explain why she's been out of the picture and James's been doing it all himself.

It's entirely possible that she and J^2 hooked up after some battle (that actually happens surprisingly frequently, due to battle lust and other factors) and then realized they shouldn't have done that, or they needed to stay as a professional unit. However, Gillie had a symbiotic parasite (i.e. Jan) as a little reminder that also happened to get her kicked off active and put "to pasture." Pregnant women certainly can't fight, much less women in such high risk situations as the S-I's.

Now, pair that with post-partum depression and PTSD and I think you've got a pretty restrained Gillie in the wavs.

Then again, this was all just me going off, so make of it what you will.
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Re: [SPEC]

Epic1980 wrote:

Well, it hasn't been that long for me, and what I remember is that it was a tech guy ( or more the one ) that were trying to use it and broke limbs, not a Spartan-I
(no book here at work to check)


That sounds familiar too, now that you mention it. Oh well--so much for that idea. Very Happy Thanks.
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This is from Halo.Bungie.Org: Halo Story Page - SPARTAN

The modern Spartan program (in contrast to its ancient Greek counterpart) was initiated in 2491, an element of the ORION project. Though not much is known about the first generation of warriors (their training, augmentation, goals, etc.), they were successful enough to garner the necessary consent for a second phase, aptly named SPARTAN II. Under Dr. Halsey, the Spartans would be developed in conjunction with the MJOLNIR armour project, the culmination of a powered exoskeleton technology that had been used for some time by the UNSC, and eventually, by frustrated cargo handlers everywhere. The initial goal of the SPARTAN/MJOLNIR project was to provide a surgical strike team capable of dealing with Human rebellions quickly and efficiently, averting the use of large scale military force, and preventing the tremendous loss of life and civil war that would have inevitably ensued.

A total of 75 children, approximately age six and selected for their specific genetic dispositions (that is, being as close to perfect as science could determine), were "recruited". They were replaced with congenitally defective flash-clones to cover the enlistment, and trained, primarily on and below the surface of Reach, by one Chief Petty Officer Mendez, arguably the best Drill Instructor in the Navy. Their family names, whatever they may have been, were stripped, purged from record, and forever replaced with a 3 digit designation. Their upbringing would be defined not only by gruelling physical routine, but by a comprehensive academic tutelage under Deja, a Class II AI created specifically for the SPARTAN II project.

In March of 2525, on the orbital ONI Medical Facility above Reach, the then 14 year old candidates underwent a series of drastic and inadvisable operations to dramatically enhance their skeletal, muscular, optical, and nervous systems (FoR p.56). Of the original 75, a reported 33 survived the processes; 30 were lost, and 12 irrevocably crippled (though still used by ONI in research and ops planning).

Both before and after their final union with the MJOLNIR armour, the SPARTAN II's, with their overwhelming physical abilities, improvisational skills, and keenness for adversity, handled their operations with a profound efficiency: as of August 27, 2552 they had suffered only 3 KIA's and 1 too wounded to continue active duty, giving them the best record of any UNSC unit. Of course, they were officially listed as MIA, part of ONI Section 2's successful propaganda campaign to boost morale; a program spearheaded by the SPARTAN II's and their glorious triumphs in battle, though strangely silent concerning Humanity's slow and imminent loss of the war against the Covenant.

Since their harrowing escape from Reach and the destruction of nearly 500 Covenant vessels consumed in the explosion of the 30km long Covenant Command Station, Unyielding Hierophant, the arduous task of defending Humanity from the ever gargantuan Covenant fleet, now wise to the Earth's location, has fallen into their "big, green, armoured hands." Let us hope their renewed numbers are up to the job.

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Thanks m0tive!
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Quote:
They were replaced with congenitally defective flash-clones to cover the enlistment


Kamal's sister.

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Re: [SPEC]

devolver wrote:
Epic1980 wrote:

Well, it hasn't been that long for me, and what I remember is that it was a tech guy ( or more the one ) that were trying to use it and broke limbs, not a Spartan-I
(no book here at work to check)


That sounds familiar too, now that you mention it. Oh well--so much for that idea. Very Happy Thanks.


I have my book handy. Dr. Halsey is explaining to the Spartans their new armor.

Fall of Reach novel wrote:
"There is one problem, however. This system is so reactive that our previous test with unaugmented volunteers ended in--" She searched for the right word. "--failure." She nodded to one of the technicians.
A flat video appeared in the air. It showed a Marine officer, a Lieutenant, being fitted with the MJOLNIR armor. "Power is on," someone said from offscreen. "Move your right arm."
The soldier's arm blurred forward with incredible speed. The Marine's stoic expression collapsed into shock, surprise, and pain as his arm shattered. He convulsed--shuddered and scremed. As he jerked in pain John could hear the sounds of bones breaking.
The man's own agony-induced spasms were killing him.


It was just a Lieutenant. He was a volunteer, but I doubt that reads as anything more than coincidence.

One thing that bugs me about a lot of this spec is that J^2 would have to be somewhat older than the Spartan-IIs if the Spartan-I program was being run by the same people.

The Spartan-II subjects were picked in 2517 and were all at the time six years old. They graduated in 2525 when they were all 14 years old. At the time that Reach fell, the Spartan-IIs were in their early 40's. J^2 doesn't seem much older than that, yet he was in the Spartan-I program that he volunteered for. I'm assuming you had to be of legal age and/or in the marines to volunteer for such a program. The timelines just don't make any sense to me. If the Spartan-Is were accepting people even at the age of 14, the first batch of Spartan-IIs would be finished already. I guess we'll have to see what other information J^2 gives us in the next couple wav series.

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