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[Question] Jan's Dad

[Nola]

I don't think so, because prior to the fall of Reach no Spartans had ever been KIA or MIA. At least not from John 117's unit. The only Spartans who left the service are the ones who did not make it through the enhancement process. These Spartans died, were left blind, crippled, or otherwise unable to serve. Those were discharged some 15 years before the fall of reach. They also never received the "enhanced" training required to be effective again, so I doubt he is a Spartan from that unit.

So the two choices I see are that they are from that Second Spartan Unit mentioned in the book, or from Admiral (what's his name)'s special project.

[Epic1980]

OK, we know J^2 is old enough to have a 17 year old daughter.
We also know that Reach just was attacked.
This does make him the same age as the MC
This does show that he is likely a Spartan-II
He did have enhancements, and many Spartans left the program because of problems with some of the enhancement.
We do not know when he left the program, so we do not know how modded up he is.
We now do know that Jan's mom is also a Spartan, and has problems. She seems to not be able to adapt to normal human life. That doesn't mean that she's "sick," but who knows, more to learn.

Nothing definite, but we're getting close

[Karmic]

J^2 is a Spartan I.

[Epic1980]

you're right, and dream_child just confirmed it
J^2 is a Spartan 1

[Son of a Beep]

dream_child.wav confirms Jan James had the spartan 1 genetic treatments, does this mean that James James is also or is he something preceeding even that.

Jan being spartan 1 doesn't make much sense since the at the time of the fall of reach Spartan 117-Master Chief was almost 30. Jan is only 17. I think this probably means that James James is a Spartan 1, and Jan inherited those traits in addition to whatever genetic modifications she was given.

[Anton P. Nym]

By my calculations, John-117 and the other SPARTAN-IIs are at least 40-42 years old at the fall of Reach.

Reach falls in the late summer of 2552. Harvest was glassed in spring of 2525... which means that the war is 27 years old at the time of the axon clips. The novels state that the SPARTAN-IIs' first mission was performed when they were 14. Assuming that Harvest was lost the same year that the SPARTANs went active means 14+27=41 they're 41 years old, give or take a year for differences in recruitment age.

Likely they're older... as I don't have the halo novels handy and my work firewall blocks me from psygnir's Library site. (grrr...)

--Steve wishes he could be more precise right now.

[Karmic]

[Dorkmaster]

Ok, well, Anton, being one of many resident Bungiologists, but also one of the few RESPECTED resident Bungiologists, I ask you this:

Would you assume that the Spartan-II project was underway when Janissary was born? Was she bred to be a SPARTAN-II? Was she intended to be a "from birth" Spartan-I? I know we'll probably get the details, but I'm just curious how you would place what we know about Janissary in the Halo rankings in terms of "type of military"... Does that make sense? I mean, we all agree (I think) that Jannisary and Gilly are both Spartan-I that have difficulty adjusting to "normal" life, right? Janissary seems to have made that jump naturally. (Mind you, she's having difficulty because of external circumstances; stupid_cop, and the whole Thin Kinkle timeline...) But she herself, seems to have become normal. Doesn't have a "hunting" instinct that is implied by Gilly and even James ² ...

So Janissary is either a prototype SPARTAN-II or is simply a bridging of what made the SPARTAN-IIs possible... does that also Jive with what we know to be true?

-DM

[devolver]

[Dorkmaster]

That's kind of my point... is if this was done to Jannisary at birth, or just very early in life, as it appears, we have to use THAT time, not "now" to figure out where she fits in the "modification schema". I know many good heads are trying to wrap around this currently, but I just wanted to see what others thought. I really want informed Bungiologist spec on whether this would stand with current knowledge as either a prototype sort of thing for one of the known SPARTAN projects, or if this would be something entirely different, as suggested by Dr. Devolver... (don't know... just thought Dr. was a nice touch to this "heady discussion". )

Anyway, those steeped in bungism and halo-lore, what makes the most sense to you? That Janissary James, as progeny of two SPARTAN-I, is the next step in evolution of the "ultimate" human, or is Janissary actually something altogether new... something that hasn't been seen and is radically different from the SPARTAN projects?

READY..... FIGHT!

[Epic1980]

It really looks to me like 2 Spartan 1.O's had a daughter, Jan.
Jan was then given some "tuning" (shots and such) but not "radical body alterations" That was a Spartan 2 thing, not necessarily a Spartan I thing.
She is not a Spartan-III because she's 17 and has had no training except for the few thing her dad has taught her.
Her abilities seem to be just that her dad, James, wanted her to have a leg up in the world and he had the ability to give her the "safe" modifications.

Spartan-I's weren't picked because of genetic abnormalities that made them better then most. In one_point_oh James says he volunteered. He's "all too much" still human, unlike what he says the Spartan -II's are.

Also, since I'm just babbling on here:
Since he volunteered, that means he was probably closer to 20ish when he went into the program, which I believe puts he very close to the same age as MC (since timeline was talked about earlier)

[Anton P. Nym]

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[angelo]

The part that has me the most befuddled is that J^2 says he is a spartan 1.0. I've read the books time and time again and there is no mention, at least to my knowledge (trout me if necessary), that there is a spartan 1. More or less my understanding is that the spartan 1's were the original greek spartans and the spartan II's are a huge evolution of those warriors.

The spartan II's were chosen and then taken at the age of 6 so J^2 couldn't of possibly 'dropped' out of the spartan 2 program and then deem himself a spartan 1.0.

The only explanation that comes even close to making sense to me is that J^2 was a product of Akerson's 'experiment'. There was a lot of conflict between Akerson and Dr. Hasley. Both were working on projects to create super soilders and Hasley's project was chosen to be funded over Akersons. If Akerson had begun his project before it was shut down then J^2's age would make sense because both projects had to of started around the same time. Also, I sensed in J^2's conversation with his daughter that he held some resentment for the Spartan II's. He just sounded like he thought they were freaks, which would make sense if he was in Akerson's project just because Akerson was continually mocking the Spartan II program.

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