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[pushfreak]

Martha

[LordKinbote]

You're a freak.

Seriously, though, you raise some good points. Perhaps Martha is (dun dun DUNNN) Jim's mother. Only time will tell.

---Scott

[pushfreak]

Anyone want to guess what Martha's profession was before she had her compellingly weird boarding house?

Here's my guess: She worked at Sloman's.

[Dark Side Of The Moon]

I agree...I do think Martha may indeed be Jim's Mommy Dearest...and I'm sure that Martha was quite the...err...conversationalist in her time at Sloman's...in fact I think the line about the handkerchief had a double meaning..."You never know when one will come back to you"...I think it was double edged implying Jim returning "home".

Man...do we all have too much time on our hands or what?

Lol....

[schany]

I think maybe Martha worked at the Old Chicken Ranch Brothel before it became Slo-mans. Maybe the Madam?
Maybe thats how she knows Jims dad?

[pushfreak]

So, we at least know Jim's Dad visited Push. He said something about him always being in another place.

Is Jim's Dad part of Watermark? What was he doing in Push?

Remember Silas said "These are the people that own your father ..."

I took it for Silas' patently-lame scare tactics, but maybe he was giving us a hint.

Whaddaya think?

I guess I should have really started this thread under SPEC, sorry!

[Ozy_y2k]

I dunno if we are expected to believe Martha is Jim's mother. As I've mentioned in another thread over in the "Push - Quick Reference" forum, I am thinking that we're supposed to be seeing Jim as some sort of Christ proxy (which would make the "temptress" Mary of Sloman's out to be Mary MAGDALENE, not the "mother" Mary; that plus it'd be a REAL stretch to expect our Mary to be a "blessed Virgin", heh. )

Anyway, assuming the absent Mother of Jim is intended to be someone other than Martha (which would make Al Prufrock a Joseph-type figure, more of a representative, corporeal "father" than a Divine Father), then Martha's relationship to Jim is as a "friend at the tomb", much that the New Testament Martha was to the crucified Jesus; a nurturer and homemaker, giver of comfort perhaps, but not literal "mother":

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/jesusandwomen/marymartha.stm

Ozy

[Stepher]

[Dark Side Of The Moon]

No doubt about it....it could very well be, allthough I don't believe that that is Jim's dear old dad eating Oranges at the bar, but hey...you never know...I like the idea that Martha may have been the Madam and thus the connection with Al Prufrock as a friend...but it would be quite the twist IF Martha was Jim's mom...

[yorock]

My WAG on martha is that she was an employee at the brothel before watermark came to town and that jim's father was her favorite or best customer. I think Jim's dad figured out what watermark was up and was killed for it. Didn't he die about the time watermark bought the casino? I think martha has a general idea about what happened; but was paid off by Sloman with the motel. I think she is having 2nd thoughts about it now, and make give jim clues to solve the problem

[Guest]

Martha asked Jim about whether or not his father loved him. But it was the way she said it that struck me. Sort of like she knew the father but never really had a chance to know Jim or whether or not his father loved him. In the same sense that a parent who has given up a child for adoption might react. Or a parent who has a sibling that they have never seen or had much contact with. Hence my suspicition that Martha knew Jim's father (in the biblical sense) and may therefore be his mother! Sorry if this post sounds sort of rambling.

[nevada1955]

Sorry, forgot to login on my last post about martha possibly being jims mother.

[Sharkiegerl]

I think Martha is jims father.... i mean, the hanky, the way she spoke about his father loving him... aren't these two supposed to be strangers? Maybe i'm way out there... but i think Jims dad didn't die, but had a sex change and is now Martha

No one has talked about his mother...have they? Everything is about the dad... from the hanky to the picture in his office to the flashbacks.

So...my theory is that Al Prufrock went to push, had a sec change, and is now Martha (which maybe why Shadrock was inquiring if he was related to someone).

Lemme know what you think, and if this was already discussed, Im sorry if i am reposting old news, just my opinion.

[azrahn]

It would be easy to believe from what they have shown us, that Martha did have an affair with Jims Father. Apparently she knew him fairly well, with the phrase and the hankerchief.

I don't think the chief cowboy is jims dad, they met face to face in slomans. It wasn't a compassionate meeting, even initially.

The sex change notion, regardless if viable or not, that is an image I don't necessarily wish stuck in my head, but alas it is to late...

I also hold the opinion that Mary is Jims sister. Be it regular or step. Makes the scene with shadrach rather explainable. Very likely when Jim offered her the hankerchief it jogged her memory. He asked her last name, which upset her, made a move to quick apparently.

I also believe that she was forced to set up Jim with Oswalds body. She resisted got beaten a bit, and subsequently caved in putting the map in the ashtray.

Which the hankie just appeared at enoch, and I have already screen snapped it and put it on www.azrahnsemporium.com for you all.

I caught wind that Martha used to be a part of something called The Angels Of Mercy, and to look out for references to it. I make no claims to the validity, just passing info sent my way.

Peace!

[Dark Side Of The Moon]

Sharkiegerl wrote:

I think Martha is jims father.... i mean, the hanky, the way she spoke about his father loving him... aren't these two supposed to be strangers? Maybe i'm way out there... but i think Jims dad didn't die, but had a sex change and is now Martha


Man...I thought I had some wild freakin' thoeries...WOW...lol...you go girl!!!