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[EMAIL] Responses to The Sleeping Princess 9/24 email.
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Howdareyou
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 		HHM, I can understand what you're saying, but can you incorporate what the flea said to the princess into that? Specifically, the line in lookingglass:

seek >> home

This is what's confusing me. The syntax here appears to be "the subject of command x is y". Whereas the lines

!reveal Princess:
seeker > !attach Princess
Princess >> !behold truth

(In yellowbrickroad) are saying "can/will then do this, assuming the previous command statement is successful", but then the very next line,

!reveal Princess:
Princess > !attach seeker
seeker >> cmd proc

says something totally different. Instead of roughly translating to "will", it is saying "is", unless you follow the spec that the flea wanted to become a cmd proc, rather than being one already - which I personally don't.

So, is there multiple contexts, or can we find some kind of "unified multiple-greater-than-sign" theory?

Speaking of multiple contexts: Can anyone find other contexts for ">" apart from "x > y" meaning "x does y"?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:27 am
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Daffy889
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 		I just sent in the following...

Code:
reveal:
!label Daffy889

grope:
!hndshk seeker

reveal:
Daffy889
seek >> Princess

seeker
!transmit law >> Daffy889


The last line about transmitting the law was just to provoke a response. I figured he is more likely to send me back his whole "seek, behold, reveal, that is the law" mantra than he is to tell me the location of the Princess - then at least we'll know he's there.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:18 pm
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Astald
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 		Here is the end of lookingglass as I understand it.
lookingglass wrote:
reveal:
Princess > seek

I don't know. Home, I guess.

Princess
seek >> home

Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or
really even know what it means.

!transmit
seeker > home

What does the Princess seek?

I don't know. Home, I guess.

Ah, I understand that the Princess seeks home now.

Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or
really even know what it means.

Hey, I seek home too.

That is my > means action, and >> means understanding theory. And then yellowbrickroad shows good examples of an "if, then" statement.
yellowbrickroad wrote:
!reveal Princess:
seeker > !attach Princess
Princess >> !behold truth

I bet you say that to all the girls. Listen,
Hoppy, I know what happens to the
girls you kiss. As far as I'm concerned,
you can kiss your -

!reveal Princess:
Princess > !attach seeker
seeker >> cmd proc

Princess, if I attach to you (kiss you), then you will behold the truth.

I bet you say that to all the girls. Listen,
Hoppy, I know what happens to the
girls you kiss. As far as I'm concerned,
you can kiss your -

Princess, if I attach to you (kiss you), then I will become a command process.

But again, that's just my understanding of the code. I am certainly not an expert in computer code, so someone probably has a better understanding than I do. But that is what I got after looking at if for awhile.

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perrault
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Congratulations on finding the rogue process, but I'm afraid it doesn't end there. Certain members of your crew had been communicating regularly with the rogue process, and it may be necessary to seek them out before they attempt to somehow free or still contact it, which they have oddly termed the "Sleeping Princess." Weephun can be trusted, but all others are suspect. Especially Master Chief Chappy.

I cannot say more for now, but I will likely make contact from time to
time. Until then, seek the truth.

-- Sgt. Perrault


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bcriswell
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perrault wrote:
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Congratulations on finding the rogue process, but I'm afraid it doesn't end there. Certain members of your crew had been communicating regularly with the rogue process, and it may be necessary to seek them out before they attempt to somehow free or still contact it, which they have oddly termed the "Sleeping Princess." Weephun can be trusted, but all others are suspect. Especially Master Chief Chappy.

I cannot say more for now, but I will likely make contact from time to
time. Until then, seek the truth.

-- Sgt. Perrault

Um, maybe I am missing something, but pray, tell: Why are you tring to sabotage other players? Confused

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anaerin
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Astald wrote:
That is my > means action, and >> means understanding theory. And then yellowbrickroad shows good examples of an "if, then" statement.
yellowbrickroad wrote:
!reveal Princess:
seeker > !attach Princess
Princess >> !behold truth

I bet you say that to all the girls. Listen,
Hoppy, I know what happens to the
girls you kiss. As far as I'm concerned,
you can kiss your -

!reveal Princess:
Princess > !attach seeker
seeker >> cmd proc

Princess, if I attach to you (kiss you), then you will behold the truth.

I bet you say that to all the girls. Listen,
Hoppy, I know what happens to the
girls you kiss. As far as I'm concerned,
you can kiss your -

Princess, if I attach to you (kiss you), then I will become a command process.

But again, that's just my understanding of the code. I am certainly not an expert in computer code, so someone probably has a better understanding than I do. But that is what I got after looking at if for awhile.


I think that latter one is wrong.

Look:

yellowbrickroad wrote:
!reveal Princess:
seeker > !attach Princess
Princess >> !behold truth


If Seeker attaches to Princess, Princess beholds truth.

yellowbrickroad wrote:
!reveal Princess:
Princess > !attach seeker
seeker >> cmd proc


If Princess attaches to Seeker, Seeker becomes Command Process

Subtle difference there, but an important one, I think.

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Astald
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 		We have general accepted that Melissa has no control over the ladybee777 e-mail account. Please don't try to hamper the efforts of other players.

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Astald
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 		anaerin, you are very much correct. And I have never noticed that before. Bravo!

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Howdareyou
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 		Hey, I hadn't noticed that at all, either! But why do you think it's "princess > !attach"? How does that make a difference? Because x + y has the same answer as y + x.
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Platonix
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Howdareyou wrote:
Hey, I hadn't noticed that at all, either! But why do you think it's "princess > !attach"? How does that make a difference? Because x + y has the same answer as y + x.
It could be a question of who will be more "in control" between the two. Will it be the Flea using the Princess' resources, or will it be the Princess using the Flea's resources?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:18 pm
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Howdareyou
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Astald wrote:
Here is the end of lookingglass as I understand it.
lookingglass wrote:
reveal:
Princess > seek

I don't know. Home, I guess.

Princess
seek >> home

Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or
really even know what it means.

!transmit
seeker > home

What does the Princess seek?

I don't know. Home, I guess.

Ah, I understand that the Princess seeks home now.

Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or
really even know what it means.

Hey, I seek home too.


This just occurred to me: I was under the impression that the "Reveal:" tool was used to say, if you will, "look at this thing that is happening", such as on the 404 (reveal: !seek princess) - but here it can be interpreted as "give me more information about the workings of x" Which means that we can ask questions in this god-forsaken pseudo-code.

Also, that last line, "!transmit: seeker > home" might be slightly nastier than that - if PF is actually a covenant virus, he'd be seeking her home, and want to send info back to his alien bosses.
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HitsHerMark
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bcriswell wrote:
perrault wrote:
Quote:
Congratulations on finding the rogue process, but I'm afraid it doesn't end there. Certain members of your crew had been communicating regularly with the rogue process, and it may be necessary to seek them out before they attempt to somehow free or still contact it, which they have oddly termed the "Sleeping Princess." Weephun can be trusted, but all others are suspect. Especially Master Chief Chappy.

I cannot say more for now, but I will likely make contact from time to
time. Until then, seek the truth.

-- Sgt. Perrault

Um, maybe I am missing something, but pray, tell: Why are you tring to sabotage other players? Confused


Never mind the fact that the Queen does not have access to that account...

And I see you call yourself a Sgt... But the only one of those listed on the 404 is Mann_Alive.

Anything you would have to say would be highly suspect. You're saying nasty things about her crew Perrault, and she takes care of her crew.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here... But I doubt this is the way to go about it.

If your post is not disregarded out of hand, then it's entirely possible that dancing robot assassins will be sent to kill you in your sleep on their way to find Dana.

Very Happy
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perrault
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 		!behold: truth
If someone could please point me in the direction of the post in which it was finally proven and decided that the Queen does not have control over the email account, now that our snow white is trapped again, I would be quite thankful. In the meantime, I think we shouldn't put all of our faith into one theory.

It was accepted for obvious reasons that SP had control over the email address previously, and it would seem, now at least, that the Pious Flea may have partial control over it. But that does not mean that Melissa has no control over it whatsoever. I firmly believe in everyone's attempt to contact PF through the email address, since it would appear that PF is what sent the email out to everybody. But at the same time, we should verify that Melissa doesn't have the ability to catch those emails as well. Because if she can, it's plausible that she can of course understand the PF's syntax language. Meaning that everyone else's attempts to contact the PF to try to aid SP are little different than my own contact.

Also, if one were going to test Melissa's ability to read those emails, accusing the otherwise trusted members of her crew would be a good way to merit a response. As of yet, there has been no response whatsoever. If she has no control over it at all, then the email will mean nothing at all. If she does, the name Perrault could only have so much meaning to her or the PMs, and I have not been an active player thus far, due to the lack of axons in my area mostly. So, indeed, my words would be highly suspect, and thus not to be trusted.

I see now that the lack of an explanation may have been somewhat confusing.

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 		... So... No dancing robot assassins?

*pout*
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perrault
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 		This just in!
Not as of yet, but I'll keep you posted.

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