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Lith · Greenhorn Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 6

I've been gazing at this image all night long, and the best I can come up with is its some kind of star map.

Excatly how to read it I dont know, but the planets are clearly in groups of some sort. They seem to be organized by distance from the sun, and then the numbers clearly dont reflect that, so its another form of organization. I orignally thought it was conjunction of the planets, when they line up in a straight line from earth, but that cant be since earth itself is one of the planets organized as such.

sadly I dont know enough about such things to really make sence of it. There is something I found online called Triple Conjunction, but again it makes little sence to me.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:30 am

eMouse · Decorated Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 179

Ok, I was wondering about the page name. The only appropriate meaning that I could find for 'SPH' is as an abbreviation for 'Sphere'. Makes sense for an image full of planets.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:36 am

konamouse

Probably not important, but I think this is some of the original image. Scroll down just a little on the page.
The source images for the poster found on many sites (noted below) is copied from JPL and we should reference it as the original.

I wonder if there is an order to clicking on the planets or putting them in a certain order? We've seen that requirement in a puzzle before. And there are *7* potential planets to put into order.

{edited to show the original source for all the different versions of the planet pictures everyone is finding]

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tommymcgrarh · Boot Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 41

google for sph, and planets, it seems to be s reference to: Smooth Particle Hydrodynamics, of which I know nothing.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:19 am

ElGameR

It could also any of the words listed here: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=SPH

Also, sph is the abbriviation for "spherical lens"

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:22 am

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eMouse · Decorated Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 179

Here's the full image... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Solar_system.jpg

Interestingly, Pluto is not in the original image. There are also a couple other notable differences. The Mars in sph.html is from a different source, as is Jupiter (notice the location of the red spot - and other details indicate that it's not just flipped).

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:34 pm

The Watcher · Unfettered Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 493

I think Mithraism is a very important connection here. There's tons of cult/secret society stuff here.

Check out
this page about Mithra astrology
According to this the 6 pointed star actually originated as a Masonic symbol.

And, apparently, the Masons left a 6 pointed star message on the dollar bill.

Some Mathematical proof that Earth and Jupiter are related in a 6-pointed star configuration. I can't understand it, it makes my head hurt.

However, if you remeber, Jupiter was very important to Mithraism.

And on this weird Matrix page it talks about a 6-pointed star formation of planets(if you include Chiron) :

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:52 pm

RobMagus

This reminds me of one of the puzzles from s4e. anyone remember info from that one?

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:54 pm

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grumpyboy · Unfettered Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 660

exact image: http://astron.berkeley.edu/~fmarchis/Classes/Astro12_summer/

The one in the middle and lower left is the moon not pluto...

EDIT: image from NASA: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA01341 with neptune the size as on the sph image...

Varin

For those who may have been as confused as I, latin.html and ovid.html are the same page. When you call the phone number you hear men speaking in latin and according to Kender it is Ovid's Metamorphoses.

So I think this may have been done by the PMs so we could have gotten to the right page even if we hadn't identified the latin.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:13 pm

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grumpyboy · Unfettered Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 660

personally i think the material on this page might be useful http://wolf.mind.net/library/magic/talismans/talisman.htm

but nobody else seems to think so... Wink

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:24 pm

The Watcher · Unfettered Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 493

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:01 pm

Lith · Greenhorn Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 6

Something else that may or may not have anything to do with anything...

Looking through some of the links people have put up, I came across this
http://www.helpingmormons.org/magi.gif
which calls itself the crown of the magi. Some of those images looked familar to me, they were on the reverse side of the talismans.

Whats even weirder, if you take the crown, and point it with the image that seems to represent the sun tword the moon, the other images *Mars, Saturn, and Venus I believe* all line up on the correct sides, as seen below. Again I have no idea, but it could be another clue of what we're supposed to do with it. BTW, whoever figured out that was the moon and not pluto, good job.

Only real catch, is the bird. That could be Jupiter, but I suspect it is Venus as well.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:37 pm

tommymcgrarh · Boot Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 41

My memory is vauge, but I could swear that these 4 creatures are from the bible as well, apearing to one of the prophets, eziekiel maybe? Appearing from the clouds, ect? Could someone with strong new testement knowledge confirm please?

**Posted:** Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:10 am

Kender

The book that Ron recovered from the GoldMineHotel might help:

http://www.puzzlecards.net/goldminetrip3.html

**Posted:** Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:41 am