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[SPEC] The Flea and the Covenant's Broken Codes
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Flidget Jerome
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 		[SPEC] The Flea and the Covenant's Broken Codes
If the Pious Flea is a Convenant AI, and it's got access to the Queen's databases, wouldn't this mean it's also listened to the second Candidate wav files?

If so, it's heard Ronnie talk to her boss about how an evacuation of Troy would mean that ONI knew that the Covenant were about to attack. Which would mean that we had broken their codes and were listening in on their transmissions.

It's not quite as disasterous as the Pious Flea broadcasting back the Covenant the location of Earth, but losing the single advantage of being able to earsdrop on the enemy would be pretty damn terrible.

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 		He/it would also know that Reach is 10.5 light years from earth.
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 		So if the Flea is a covie AI, that means in the long run we are helping the Covenant find and distroy earth.......kinda makes you feel specail.

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 		Thing is, as of right now the Flea has no way of transmitting that information back to the Covenant...it's been trying, but so far the only recipients of "the truth" are 20th century geeks. Now, if the Flea managed to get a hold of Durga, it'd be a different story...

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 		This is all SPEC here. I'm basing this on the Halo novels so bear with me. According to the books, the Covenant are a religious organization. Thier leaders are called Prophets. This leads me to think tha tthe Pious Flea is the Covie virus. (Pious meaning Having or exhibiting religious reverence; earnestly compliant in the observance of religion; devout.) The Flea also co-opted the position of the SPDR which was repairing Melissa. The Flea tricked Melissa into believing that he(it?) was an updated repair program, therefore gaining influence on her. This all sounds like a plan to corrupt Melissa's programming. The Flea has also tried to attach to SP, but she is preventing him. If the Flea is a virus designed to attach to and corrupt/co-opt human AI's, then it's entirely possible that the SP's resistance is based on the fact that she's not a Human AI. Leading me to believe that she's a Forerunner AI from the unknown artifact. This just leaves the question of how she managed to get into the ilovebees server with Melissa and the Flea. I'm sure this has been theorized before, but I didn't see anything on it.

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 		I wouldn't discount what the Flea might be able to do.

From Halo FoR page 241:
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"The Covenant's science is imitative rather then innovative, a by-product of this societal 'absorption,' " Dr. Halsey continued. "This is not to say that they are lacking intelligence, however. During our first encounter they gathered computer and network components from our destroyed hips ... and they learned at an astonisheing pace.
"By the time Admiral Cole's fleet arrive at Harvest, the Covenant initiated a communications link and attempted a primitive software infiltration of our ships AIs. In a matter of weeks, they had learned the rudiments of our computer systems and our language. Our own attempts to decipher Covenant computer systems have only been partially successful, despite our best efforts and decades of time.
"Since then they have made increasingly successful forays into our computer networks. That is why the Cole Protocol is so important and carries the punishment of treason for failure to comply. The Covenant may one day not need to capture a ship to steal the information within its navigational databanks."


Scary stuph!
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weephun wrote:
I wouldn't discount what the Flea might be able to do.

From Halo FoR page 241:
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Scary stuph!


Story/stastical anomoly. If they were able to form the basis of intrusion software, and understand our language in that time, with all of those engagements, why would they not have found Earth?

Statistically speaking, it seems likely with every conflict prior to the engagement involving Admiral Cole, and the first use of the Cole Protocol, that the Covenant would have an increasingly likely chance of extracting that data from ship debris.

Just something that always bothered me. Insufficient data to assume that each time a ship was hulled that the coordinates to earth were miraculously destroyed before the Covenant could put their hands on them. Otherwise how did they learn anything about our software?
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Mazian wrote:
weephun wrote:
I wouldn't discount what the Flea might be able to do.

From Halo FoR page 241:
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Scary stuph!


Story/stastical anomoly. If they were able to form the basis of intrusion software, and understand our language in that time, with all of those engagements, why would they not have found Earth?

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They did find Earth. Read Halo First Strike. Tells the story of the MC heading off the attack by destroying the base (Unyeilding Heirophant if I remember correctly) that the Covenant attack fleet was gathering at before making the final slip-space jump to Earth.
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weephun wrote:
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They did find Earth. Read Halo First Strike. Tells the story of the MC heading off the attack by destroying the base (Unyeilding Heirophant if I remember correctly) that the Covenant attack fleet was gathering at before making the final slip-space jump to Earth.


I meant "find Earth earlier." Of course, they may have known where Earth was for a long time. The way the Covenant did things fits with the old style "securing your supply lines" method of waging war. It also fits with their desire to hunt out more Forerunner artifacts.

I just myself wonder whether the Covenant always knew where Earth was (or at least, from the first reckage was able to ascertain it based on data gathered over time.)
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weephun wrote:

(Unyeilding Heirophant if I remember correctly).


You're memory is good, and correct...

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 		I guess the Cole protocol was put into action before the Covenant made any signifigant attempts at infiltrating a ship's computer system.

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Trynian wrote:
Thing is, as of right now the Flea has no way of transmitting that information back to the Covenant...it's been trying, but so far the only recipients of "the truth" are 20th century geeks. Now, if the Flea managed to get a hold of Durga, it'd be a different story...


I [SPEC] with my little eye:
The flea is controlling Durga, and that's the "tenuous connection through time" that Melissa has. The flea directed Durga to track Kamal so that when he gets his parents on a transport ship to Earth, they're followed.
[Wild Probability= 99%]
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johnny_Nitro wrote:
Trynian wrote:
Thing is, as of right now the Flea has no way of transmitting that information back to the Covenant...it's been trying, but so far the only recipients of "the truth" are 20th century geeks. Now, if the Flea managed to get a hold of Durga, it'd be a different story...


I [SPEC] with my little eye:
The flea is controlling Durga, and that's the "tenuous connection through time" that Melissa has. The flea directed Durga to track Kamal so that when he gets his parents on a transport ship to Earth, they're followed.
[Wild Probability= 99%]


According to the Halo: Fall of Reach, the Covenant already know where Earth is.
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 		Besides, learning things (like languages) at an astonishing rate is not a trait the P Flea has exhibited...

Quite the opposite in fact.

But we do know an AI who has...
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Mazian wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Trynian wrote:
Thing is, as of right now the Flea has no way of transmitting that information back to the Covenant...it's been trying, but so far the only recipients of "the truth" are 20th century geeks. Now, if the Flea managed to get a hold of Durga, it'd be a different story...


I [SPEC] with my little eye:
The flea is controlling Durga, and that's the "tenuous connection through time" that Melissa has. The flea directed Durga to track Kamal so that when he gets his parents on a transport ship to Earth, they're followed.
[Wild Probability= 99%]


According to the Halo: Fall of Reach, the Covenant already know where Earth is.



Also, each Forerunner artifact provides coordinates to some location.

The artifact found at Court de Azur (Sigma Octanus IV) provided coordinates to the Forerunner underground location on Reach (to another Forerunner artifact, the small crystal) and the Halo Installation #04. I'm assuming that the Covenant possibly found a Forerunner artifact with inscribed coordinates to Earth. The novels didn't say exactly how the Covie discovered the location of Earth... just that they know where Earth lies.

So, assuming that, I wonder what coordinates this new Forerunner artifact (the "tire") goes to?
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