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[PUZZLE] Guide the Sleeping Princess home
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Re: Question for Rowan72

Twilight wrote:
Rowan72

What IRC are you on? The only one that I had heard of I am on currently and it is deathly quiet. Maybe I am just in the wrong place.


irc.chat-solutions.org 6667
#beekeepers

I think I see you in #ilovebees which is normally really quiet since it's just used as a newbie/question-answer/overflow room.
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Re: OOh! I know! Ooh! Pick me!

Phaedra wrote:
But "Deadly Sin"? Aren't there seven? Is there one "deadly" sin in any religion?

In Christianity, wouldn't the deadly sin be not accepting Jesus?
You're correct here, but the "seven deadly sins" come from the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas. There's a bit more information in this E2 article. They also came up in Dante's Inferno, which was and has been popular reading material. Neither are Biblical, but the concept does stick in the mind. Edit: And now I see this was just confusion about the wording. Never mind! Wink

Regardless, I agree that these are likely just a maze we'll have to get through. Starting on a 7 seems like a good start, but there are probably more branches after that. I wouldn't put too much significance on the names except as an easy way to remember them at this point.

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enfusion wrote:
kingchaos2 wrote:
What significance would 11 play? Not trying to be a jerk - just curious.


im just saying that, since a couple of people are suggesting that there would be a lot of 'forks' in the roads marked by balloons with words, and that the right path is to take all those that relate to seven: then if we were to pick "deadly sins" just merely because it relates to 7, that would mean that it wouldnt really matter if the number of disciples is 11 or 12, since it would be insignificant to the solution. hope that makes sense Smile


I got you. Wink But first before we go off on numbers, is there anything else that we can link to the descriptions of the balloons? I mean since one guy put numbers to the names, we've been typing up to four pages of spec. I doubt it, but can anyone think of a significance other than numbers? Also, if this were based on 4, 12/11, and 7, then where would you use that? I'd also like to note that these names were not plural EXCEPT for the Apostles. According to the Sleeping Princess, they only said 1 holy truth, (x) number of apostles, and 1 deadly sin. Maybe we can narrow these down specifically...

WHEW...

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[spec]

Considering the idea that the Princess is locked in by a code sequence, imagine it as a string of numbers: 746938...

We have numbers assigned to the three choices: the 4 Holy Truths, the 11 Fathful Apostles, and the 7 Deadly Sins. I am not sure how we can deduce the whole code string but perhaphs this set of numbers (Truths, Apostles, Sins) represents the first digit in a sort of combination lock.

Suppose 7 is the correct choice, the Sleeping Princess will go down that path and find three more choices, which we will have to assign numbers to and then tell her which one to go down. Eventually she will reach the end and be free leaving us with a string of numbers representing her decryption code.

It would make sense, then, that finding the code string first would make guiding the princess through it easier than simply trial and error each time. We only would have to figure out which numbers each phrase represented.

Problems with this spec:

-Right now I have no idea how we would go about finding this supposed "code string." It might not exist yet, or it may never exist.

-So far we don't know what happens after the Princess goes down a "correct" path. Perhaps (as this spec assumes) she will find another set of phrase/number combinations. However, she might not.

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I hope this is clear. Smile
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In an answer to the Holy Truths question, I found this:

The four Holy Truths
What then is the Holy Truth? Birth is ill, decay is ill, sickness is ill, death is ill. To be conjoined with what one dislikes means suffering. To be disjoined from what one likes means suffer- ing. Not to get what one wants, also that means suffering. In short, all grasping at any of the five Skandhas involves suffering. What then is the Holy Truth of the Origination of Ill? It is that craving which leads to rebirth, accompanied by delight and greed, seeking its delight now here, now there, i.e. craving for sensuous experience, craving to perpetuate oneself, craving for extinction. What then is the Holy Truth of the Stopping of Ill? It is the complete stopping of that craving, the withdrawal from it, the renouncing of it, throwing it back, liberation from it, non-attachment to it. What then is the Holy Truth of the steps which lead to the stopping of Ill? It is this holy Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intentions, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration.
http://www.gotaro3.homestead.com/DalaiLama2.html

It's the same (just more complicated) as Phaedra's Noble Truths.

For the apostle thing, Peter also denied Jesus three times. Let's spread that love around.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:23 pm
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Trynian
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From the web site:

Quote:

Action:
I have been suppressing certain voices from the awareness of Durga.
With the help of my loyal crew, I have hunted down and encrypted the rogue process with a code sequence. It will stay there forever.


So yup, there's definitely a code sequence involved in freeing the Princess. I'm guessing that the "right" path will give us a string of numbers corresponding to the sequence. My first guess is that when the Queen breaks down, we either say the sequence or perhaps punch it in on the telephone pad, if it is indeed a string of numbers. But first someone needs to get the Princess down that path...

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GloryFish wrote:
Considering the idea that the Princess is locked in by a code sequence, imagine it as a string of numbers: 746938...

We have numbers assigned to the three choices: the 4 Holy Truths, the 11 Fathful Apostles, and the 7 Deadly Sins. I am not sure how we can deduce the whole code string but perhaphs this set of numbers (Truths, Apostles, Sins) represents the first digit in a sort of combination lock.

Suppose 7 is the correct choice, the Sleeping Princess will go down that path and find three more choices, which we will have to assign numbers to and then tell her which one to go down. Eventually she will reach the end and be free leaving us with a string of numbers representing her decryption code.

It would make sense, then, that finding the code string first would make guiding the princess through it easier than simply trial and error each time. We only would have to figure out which numbers each phrase represented.

Problems with this spec:

-Right now I have no idea how we would go about finding this supposed "code string." It might not exist yet, or it may never exist.

-So far we don't know what happens after the Princess goes down a "correct" path. Perhaps (as this spec assumes) she will find another set of phrase/number combinations. However, she might not.


When picking a lock (not that I've done that before >_>) if the next interval or bar is wrong, nothing will happen. If something does happen that means you've done something right. Whether it's a click or a beep, it's something.
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3 balloons

This is the way I heard it:

Noble Truth (singular)
Faithful Apostle (singular)
Deadly Sins (plural)

There are 4 noble truths in Buddhism:
1. Dukkha: All worldly life is unsatisfactory, disjointed, suffering.
2. Samudaya: There is a cause of suffering, which is attachment or desire (tanha).
3. Nirodha: There is a way out of suffering, which is to eliminate attachment and desire.
4. Marga: The path that leads out of suffering is called the Noble Eightfold Path.
Wikipedia: Four Noble Truths

Not all of the apostles were "faithful." Judas, we can drop right away, but Simon Peter is also out:
Wikipedia: Apostles
Wikipedia: Saint Peter
So, which one(s) would be considered "faithful" ?

The 7 Deadly Sins:
Wikipedia: Deadly Sins
1. pride (vanity)
2. envy (jealousy)
3. wrath (anger)
4. sloth (also accidie, acedia, laziness)
5. avarice (covetousness, greed)
6. gluttony
7. lust

So, what do these clues mean together?

BTW, I told the SP to go toward the Noble Truth balloon.

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what about the complete opposite? maybe we would get a string from somewhere else (puzzles, or whatever) -- and we could use that code string to free the princess (by making her choose the right balloons).

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Quote:
first someone needs to get the Princess down that path...


Do you suppose the way to do that is trial and error, or might there be a more intuitive way?
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[SPEC] Possible Code

Perhaps the code will be 777-MELISSA (777.635.4772)?

Thats a lot of digits I hope it doesn't take that many live calls.

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From the thread about posting phone experiences:

mann alive wrote:
yeah, i thought that was cute. here's the whole number, in case there's some kind of code in it:

777.635.4772


Perhaps there will be 10 balloons, and each new choice will present a number leading back to freedom? What if the first three answers are 7's (beginning with deadly sins) and the next number is 6, followed by the rest of the phone number?

Oh, crap... I completely forgot to wear my tinfoil hat for this...

Edit: It occurs to me that if this is the case, she might get cut off after each decision. We may have to co-ordinate so carefully that she doesn't get told the same number twice in a row, taking a 6 path and then another 6 path (instead of 3, being the next digit)
God help us.

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Re: What do we know

Alderaad wrote:
What do we know about the Covenant's religous beliefs? Do they have a single supreme being? A Multitude of beings? - though this is probably going down the wrong track.


I think the idea of Humans or anything not a part of the Covenant faith are considered Deadly Sins if such beings possess the Forerunner artifacts.

I'd chose the (7) Deadly Sins path.
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Quote:
what about the complete opposite? maybe we would get a string from somewhere else (puzzles, or whatever) -- and we could use that code string to free the princess (by making her choose the right balloons).


That's also a good spec and not to be ruled out. It's definitely preferable to brute-forcing it and listening to Princess scream every time we make a wrong choice...

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Re: 3 balloons

gkrohne wrote:
Not all of the apostles were "faithful." Judas, we can drop right away, but Simon Peter is also out:
Wikipedia: Apostles
Wikipedia: Saint Peter
So, which one(s) would be considered "faithful" ?


John. Not only was John the "favored" apostle, he was the one that was lucky enough to hear about the end of the world because of his faithfulness. He's my bid for the top.

We also can't forget Matthias, the Judas "replacement" that brought the apostles back up to 12. Note: This is the only apostle not chosen by Christ, but by the other 11.
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