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Twilight
Boot
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 65
I am sorry weephun wrote:
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Boy, I kinda hate to be the one to bring this up ... but since I've already been labeled I might as well be the one.
I am sorry if my pointing you out caused any problems. I simply meant to point out that at some points there is going to be a choice made by only one of us. Yours was the most recent (and only one I can still think of.) I am still fairly new here and did not know that you had caught flak over your decision.[/b]
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:22 pm
spunkinator
Boot
Joined: 21 Sep 2004 Posts: 44 Location: Boise, ID
weephun wrote:
Along these same lines of thinking .. everybody was soooo pissed at me when I gave up the Sleeping Princess, but in the end it created the most active day ever for the ilovebees ARG, the "freeing of the SP" day.
I was there with you at the Doubletree that day. I can vouch for you to everybody that in no way did you ever think that living out this game and furthering the plot was going to get you that much hate. But now, look where we are because of it. I think everybody, deep down inside, is grateful that there are some of us that want to keep the ball rolling.
You're not the only one that wants to see how this ARG finishes out!
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:49 pm
Aspmaster
Veteran
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 129 Location: 35.074196 -89.91932
My Japanese isn't that good, but I was thinking about this earlier. I wanted to wait until I could find something definitive.
I know I'm not the only one to think about giving GPS coordinates to Melissa for this fish market. I have been playing around with http://www.mapfan.com , and it does some GPS mapping if you looking at the URL info on the status bar.
However, I couldn't find an English version of the website.
I hope someone here can tell for sure if this tool might be useful.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:14 pm
Crisko
Decorated
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 183 Location: SLC, UT, USA
Can we look at this again?
Dana = human being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Melissa = Corrupted AI with hunger to reveal an unknown truth as well as revenge.
SP = unknown origin, unknown reason for existance (correct me if I'm wrong)
PF = confused little bug.
Who, at first glance, do you want to help the most? I for one don't want to put a human being on the chopping block, but if Melissa's mission is to reveal the truth about some kind of covenant activity or that earth is in eminent danger we need to help her so we can stop the covenant from glassing the planet.
So what the bob are we supposed to do? There's too many buttons in front of us and I really don't feel like pushing the wrong one.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:24 pm
Mescad
Boot
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 63 Location: Lexington, KY
Crisko wrote:
Can we look at this again?
Dana = human being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Melissa = Corrupted AI with hunger to reveal an unknown truth as well as revenge.
SP = unknown origin, unknown reason for existance (correct me if I'm wrong)
PF = confused little bug.
Someone could easily say:
Dana = human, unknown reason for existance besides being the quasi narrator
Melissa = Damaged, confused AI, being manipulated for evil by PF.
SP = innocent AI in the wrong place at the wrong time.
PF = Corrupt manipulating AI with hunger to reveal an unknown truth, has already killed 1 enemy
The interpretation of the characters greatly depends on which side you are pulling for.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:34 pm
vector
Unfettered
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 721 Location: Portland OR
Either way Melissa is not in a right and sane frame of mind right now. Continuing to do everything she says seems foolish on our part. Also, i have been wondering, since when does a ship comand her crew? maybe we should be giveing the ship some orders such as stop focusing on a false assasin and start figuring out how to get your crew home.
What is an AI's military rank anyway?
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:39 pm
devolver
Decorated
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 158 Location: Beijing
vector wrote:
What is an AI's military rank anyway?
I can't answer that, but others have pointed out that in Halo (the game), Captain Keyes orders Cortana to prepare herself to be "yanked." (Or something like that ...)
If we get more live calls, someone should make themselves Captain (maybe replacing Greene) and try to give Melissa a direct order, just to see what happens.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:47 pm
vector
Unfettered
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 721 Location: Portland OR
That would probably be Acting Captain i would think. if that is the proper designation.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:54 pm
SuperJerms
Unfettered
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 537 Location: indiana
or how about this one:
Dana=human
Melissa=not
SP=not
PF=not
Listen, what the freak does everyone think M's gonna do if she finds Dana? Send her a Candy-gram (maybe a Pocki-gram, she is in Japan )?
"Maybe if the hate fest hadn't continued..."
1) [OOG]I realize that your patience and sense of humor has worn thin in the last week, but I think the vodoo doll thing was a joke.
2) Hasn't the whole SPA vs. Crew thing played out already in other threads?[/OOG}
3) [IG]This is NOT about SPA vs. Crew. This is about helping someone that has already tried to murder Dana twice, and has today started trying evaporate Dana's funds. Read the Danablog for more on that.[/IG]
We need to start trying to convince M that Dana is a civilian, and that she's now in a time where the most advanced AI's in the world are in video games. Dana had no idea what she was attacking when she tried to fix the site, and she is a NON-COMBATANT.
Until we do that, we desperately need to keep Dana hidden from Melissa. Folks, we are still a team, and we all have the same goal here. It's funny that Crisko said something about pushing the wrong buttons...I am starting to see strange parallels to Satanley Milgram's famous obedience to authority studies . Basically, it tells us that, given a good authority, people will WAY overstep the boundaries of what they would deem acceptable...That includes exposing other people to danger.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:57 pm
Gemini
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Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 109 Location: Louisiana
devolver wrote:
vector wrote:
What is an AI's military rank anyway?
I can't answer that, but others have pointed out that in Halo (the game), Captain Keyes orders Cortana to prepare herself to be "yanked." (Or something like that ...)
If we get more live calls, someone should make themselves Captain (maybe replacing Greene) and try to give Melissa a direct order, just to see what happens.
I didn't know this at the time, or I probably wouldn't have used it: Commodore is higher than captain on the Naval ranking system, so I might could try to give her orders. I don't really think she liked me, though, and the PMs could easily have her say in the UNSC ranking system, commodore is lower than captain.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:04 pm
tapjeep
Boot
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 19 Location: over there
I say give Melissa what she wants.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:14 pm
CoffeeJedi
Unfictologist
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 1327 Location: Charlotte NC, USA
Gemini wrote:
devolver wrote:
vector wrote:
What is an AI's military rank anyway?
I can't answer that, but others have pointed out that in Halo (the game), Captain Keyes orders Cortana to prepare herself to be "yanked." (Or something like that ...)
If we get more live calls, someone should make themselves Captain (maybe replacing Greene) and try to give Melissa a direct order, just to see what happens.
I didn't know this at the time, or I probably wouldn't have used it: Commodore is higher than captain on the Naval ranking system, so I might could try to give her orders. I don't really think she liked me, though, and the PMs could easily have her say in the UNSC ranking system, commodore is lower than captain.
1) [wobbly unbased spec] it seems to me that Cortanna could override Keyes' orders if she had a valid reason
2) [common sense spec]i don't see any reason to believe that an AI from one ship would have to follow orders from the Captain of another ship
3) [in-game based spec] Melissa was an ONI AI, standard naval officers wouldn't be able to give her any orders that contradict her primary ONI mission parameters (or what she percieves those parameters to be)
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:46 pm
Arashi
Decorated
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 240 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Ok, considering I've read all the books - someone should try this:
Call yourself ADMIRAL ROLAND FREEMONT
That's the full name of the Admiral who ordered all UNSC forces to the Reach system after a Covenent invasion force was detected. However, this Admiral was NOT present (atleast the book doesn't state he was) at the Battle of Reach. The Admiral present was one: ADMIRAL MICHAEL STANFORTH. He was aboard the UNSC Leviathan - which was destroyed when it moved infront of enemy fire to protect the Pillar of Autumn.
Perhaps (if the PM's are 100% prepared) this might evoke an interesting reaction from Melissa - a real life UNSC Admiral. Tell her FLEETCOM HQ (I Believe this is located in Sydney, Australia (The location mentioned in "First Strike") however, be reluctant to offer the location as it may be incorrect... use it ONLY if she asks) gave you orders to assess the situation with Melissa and to request a full transcript of her directives.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:23 pm
Crisko
Decorated
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 183 Location: SLC, UT, USA
Arashi makes a good suggestion. But is it safe to act as a fictional character? I wouldn't want to take the chance but thats just me.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:37 pm
Stratus
Boot
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 59
AIs do not have a rank. They are more of a civilian or specialist.
Smart AIs like cortona and Melissa(guessing that she is a smart AI) are allowed to do anything they want. They have the power and are not afraid to use it.
They cannot give orders to anyone, but they can give suggestion, which are uselly the best idea. But they could always override the controls of the ship and make it do what they want.
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:08 pm
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