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[SPEC] Flea: friend, foe, something else?
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nobodyman
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[SPEC] Flea: friend, foe, something else?

With the SP free (for now) and the latest update to the contactme.html page, I must say that I'm scratching my head trying to get a bead on the nature of the Pious Flea. Is he a friend or foe, or perhaps none of the above?

Early spec had the flea as a covenent AI who's task was to subvert Melissa's primary objective of "survive, evade, escape, resist", to "seek/behold/reveal the truth. Indeed, this is what happened: Melissa's objective has indeed changed. Furthermore, the flea tricked Melissa into deleting the SPDR process, thus fueling the "flea is bad" spec.

On the other hand, the SP has become less and less hostile towards the flea. When the SP was captured, the flea used the ladybee777 email account to send the SP's cry for help. Now it appears from the new contactme that the flea is trying to help the SP hide from the queen. What I find most intriguing is this part
The flea in contactme wrote:
seeker > !attach Princess sec proc
survive
evade
escape
resist
that is the law and the whole of the law

Which of course is what Melissa's original objective was. So... what does this all mean? Is the flea trying to serve some noble purpose, or is it a sinister plot with the flea manipulating the Princess much like he is manipulating Melissa? I'd love to hear some new/updated spec on this in light of the most recent events. So what do you think?

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I think the Flea is no danger to SP, more of an annoyance (much like a real flea). Since he can't subvert her like he did Melissa, she has no need to be rid of him. She can't delete him anyway, as he just evades her attempts. So, since she can't delete him and he can't affect her, she seems to be attempting to communicate with him in an attempt to make him useful for her own ends (for example, seeking his help in locating a place to hide from Melissa).
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A part of me wants the Flea to turn out to be a good idea. After all, the Flea may once have been something other than what he is now. Years in the Covenant R&D lab may've changed him.

Still, I think we should hold the Flea to the same level of suspicion that we do for all the entities involved in the story.

In my case, that means trusting none of them, but furthering the story through them regardless of my reservations because that's the only way the story will progress.

Still, I'd have to say that I think, in my paranoid heart of hearts, that the Flea is jerking our and the Princess's heart strings.

He says "I love you", but all he wants is to do kiss the girl.

Make them fall in love indeed.

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jonus511
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what if the flea has been influenced and changed through its interactions with the SP?

I mean, its obvious that it changed Melissa (who, it seems, is now at odds with Durga in the future) through constant contact and slowly changing her mantra. So, can't it be possible, that the Flea then changed as well through constant contact with the SP? If you look at it this way, the email it sent out that told us that the SP was captured makes more sense. And the new contactme.html then makes a lot more sense. The Flea's mantra is now changed...

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[SPEC] What if, instead of working on Melissa directly, we somehow get the Flea to replace his mantra with Melissa's original one, and thereby "re-infect" her with her real program?

I have no idea how to go about it. In fact, maybe we'll have to work on the Flea via the SP. (But keep an eye on the SP, to make sure she's not starting ot pick up the Flea's mantra herself).

Trying to undelete the SPDR may be an idea, too. (After all, deleting doesn't usually mean the disk is emptied, it usually just changes the disk directory and removes the pointer to the file's start block).

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Idea: Someone ask her to access the file containing her mission. When that's done, ask her when it was last modified, and then ask her the launch date of the Apocalypso. Then ask her who modified it. If and when she says SPDR, you might say that it is operating outside of it's parameters and should be deleted and reloaded from version whatever the original SPDR was.

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The Flea just wants to know the truth. It will do all it can to find it. At first, he thought Melissa would be able to tell him, and now the Princess. Really, we won't know if he's 'good' or 'bad' until the end of all this.

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I still maintain that hte FLea was sent by the Covenant to subvert our AI's. He ran into the Princess (which I believ eto be a Forerunner AI) and decided to try and subvert her too. HIs first attempts failed completely, so now he's just changing tactics.

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Freeman wrote:
Idea: Someone ask her to access the file containing her mission. When that's done, ask her when it was last modified, and then ask her the launch date of the Apocalypso. Then ask her who modified it. If and when she says SPDR, you might say that it is operating outside of it's parameters and should be deleted and reloaded from version whatever the original SPDR was.


I like this idea.

But here's an interesting question. How do we know Melissa's "original mission" isn't the corrupted also/instead?
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From Cmdr. Mike Was
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But here's an interesting question. How do we know Melissa's "original mission" isn't the corrupted also/instead?


I don't think we *do* know. Especially after her less-than-delicate patchwork reconstruction by the SPDR. The Op herself admits that her memories are incomplete.

As for the Flea, it looks like SP is using it as a resource/tool herself, so it may not be all bad...or it might...we shall see. Wink

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this is a segment of an email i sent to the princess:

Quote:
because the Flea is, as you've so eloquently put it, a "bug of very
little brain", can't you control him somehow? If he can control the
Queen, and you can take control of him...... you can make the Queen
stop being so mean! Be carefull what you say around that guy though,
and DON'T let him attach and grope you! (yuck!!!)


sound like a good idea?
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The Flea is a pimp.

He's playing all sides of the game.

Rock on, Flea!

!init transmit Rock On!
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fugitivesoldier wrote:
The Flea is a pimp.

He's playing all sides of the game.

Rock on, Flea!

!init transmit Rock On!
success

behold:
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recurse

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!bkp init flea-sector cmd proc
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[SPEC/WILD and UNFOUNDED] Flea's True Nature

I was pondering this last night and I had a weird and cool idea which may be true.

Assuming that the Pious Flea is not as previously believed a Covenant Program, but rather a complete Convenant AI tailored for the specific purpose of infiltrating Human Ships.And assuming that there is no reason for Covenant AI's to be made significantly differently than Human ones, it seems likely that they could have flashed a Grunt brain and altered the AI to serve on function, seek the "truth." Sort of like what happened to Durandal in Marathon. Being cut off from it's origin, and now interacting with two different AI, may have caused it to alter it's original programing.

I wish there was a way we could confirm the Flea's sentience.
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