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 		Re: [UPDATE] New contactme.html page (10/1)
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But why would the Queen !evade truth?

master-sector sec proc >> !evade truth Durga

But…shouldn't we REVEAL it?

analyze Princess
recurse

So everyone can SEEK it out and BEHOLD it? Seek, behold, reveal… that is the law and the whole of the law It's the Cranky Old Man who knows the most about the Truth, but the Queen suspects someone is betraying her, and now she won't even broadcast things about him to her crew. She is hoarding those records all to herself. I overheard her receiving them though. She must be getting really suspicious because she would wail over the most important parts so that I couldn't figure out the names.

analyze Princess
fail

Here. See for yourself. Here are the pieces I remember. Where it says that's where she screamed so that I couldn't hear.

{some stuff}

The thing is, even if I could find the recordings, I don't know how to REVEAL them to Durga.

seeker > !transmit Durga

REALLY?

seeker > !transmit Durga

That would be so excellent! There are important truths that need to be revealed, here! Stuff that ought to be beheld!

Okay, talking the Flea's language so it can understand you is nice and all, but I'm really starting to get creeped out here. I was in the "SP is forcing a change of heart in the Flea" SPECcamp, but now I think I'm starting to lean toward the "Flea is getting more devious in its infiltration of SP" side...

Quote:
grope:
seeker > !attach Princess

Eww. I mean, maybe. We could talk about the kiss thing. Afterwards.

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 		Re: [UPDATE] New contactme.html page (10/1)
Okay, now that I've finished not solving puzzles fast enough Mr. Green , some thoughts about the new information.

The Sleeping Princess wrote:
It's like the way they train you not to notice the dying in battle. You just…can't think about that. Or the way I don't want to think about my brother. ANYWAY, that's not what I'm talking about right now. My POINT is, even though one part of Durga has been following the Cranky Old Man, SHE DOESN'T KNOW IT. The Queen is hiding something from Durga. Something stashed in Chawla Base.

Hmm. Now what on earth could a six-year-old girl know about "the way they train you not to notice the dying in battle"? Oh, and the Princess has a brother she's not supposed to think about. Just like Durga isn't supposed to think about why she is interested in Kamal, as shown in curious_girl.wav. And maybe Melissa, in the MAYDAY text:

Melissa wrote:
playing on the beach, very young, making a castle out of sand. It's a good castle, I'm smart, I'm really smart and I'm good with my hands and the castle is beautiful but the tide is coming up, I'm making dikes and moats and outer walls, getting a little desperate here this castle means the world to me it's way better than my brother's, but the tide is rising and rising, the tide is always coming up and no matter how hard I try to save what I have made, sooner or later the spiders wash over it and melt it down I'm losing the memory already I can't see myself was I wearing a dress or overalls or ...? There's a boy on the beach next to me but a wave comes up foaming with spiders and takes away his face-

That clicking sound you hear? That's the sound of pieces falling neatly into place.

Now, What the Censored happened here?

The Sleeping Princes wrote:
But…shouldn't we REVEAL it? .. So everyone can SEEK it out and BEHOLD it? Seek, behold, reveal… that is the law and the whole of the law It's the Cranky Old Man who knows the most about the Truth, but the Queen suspects someone is betraying her, and now she won't even broadcast things about him to her crew. She is hoarding those records all to herself.

Since WHEN -- pardon my yelling -- SINCE Censored WHEN does the Princess want to seek, behold, and reveal the Truth?!? What happened to her attitude from lookingglass.html, when she told the Pious Flea:

The Sleeping Princess wrote:
You always go around saying that as if it meant something, but really it's completely made up. ... I mean, why not:
Seek balloons!
Behold balloons!
Reveal balloons!
That is the law, or at least 10/6ths of the law in this size!

I can come up with only two theories, and I don't really like either of them.

(1) The Princess is just using the Flea to accomplish some aim of her own. (Which, of course, begs the question of what that aim may be.)

(2) The Flea has somehow managed to affect the Princess -- perhaps through that security-process thing -- although he supposedly hasn't yet managed to !attach her.

I'm getting very, very nervous.

(P.S. And there, by the way, goes my spec about the Flea being the one who convinced Melissa not to reveal the Herzog clips to Durga. :sigh: )
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 		I'm not convinced that the Flea is affecting SP. I think it's more a case of, she has something she wants the Flea to do, so she's putting it in terms the Flea can understand.

"Look, by doing this you'll be revealing the truth, see?"
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 		Re: [UPDATE] New contactme.html page (10/1)
Shad0 wrote:
Now, What the Censored happened here?

The Sleeping Princes wrote:
But…shouldn't we REVEAL it? .. So everyone can SEEK it out and BEHOLD it? Seek, behold, reveal… that is the law and the whole of the law It's the Cranky Old Man who knows the most about the Truth, but the Queen suspects someone is betraying her, and now she won't even broadcast things about him to her crew. She is hoarding those records all to herself.

Since WHEN -- pardon my yelling -- SINCE Censored WHEN does the Princess want to seek, behold, and reveal the Truth?!?
I don't see this as PF affecting SP. Take the whole conversation into account:
The Sleeping Princess wrote:
The Queen is hiding something from Durga. Something stashed in Chawla Base.

behold:
Chawla Base >> truth

What?

behold:
Chawla Base >> truth

But why would the Queen !evade truth?

master-sector sec proc >> !evade truth Durga

But…shouldn't we REVEAL it?

analyze Princess
recurse

So everyone can SEEK it out and BEHOLD it?
The SP's reactions are her own. She finds out that Melissa is hiding something from Durga. PF tells her that Chawla Base contains the truth. She's using the Flea's own mantra to make her point is all and to question PF about the situation: PF knows about the truth, but isn't SEEKING, BEHOLDING, and REVEALING like she'd expect him to do.

Remember that our primary (in-game) goal here is to understand how this has all happened and what is going on. In this regard, SP is on our side.
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Nova wrote:
I'm not convinced that the Flea is affecting SP. I think it's more a case of, she has something she wants the Flea to do, so she's putting it in terms the Flea can understand.

"Look, by doing this you'll be revealing the truth, see?"


I can see this, certianly I think that she said they could talk about the whole "kissing thing" later... Not because she's actually thinking of letting him !attach to her, but that she's enticing him to do what she wants with the idea that she might break down eventually.

However... I think also, that the SP has been working at something from the start... Or at the very least, her recent captivity has given her a new perspective...

Here's something people seem to be over looking...

The SP was imprisoned in a glass coffin... Once she was released from her re-capture by hmrPita, she described her captivity as having been put back into the cracked coffin which then had a lock on it...

In today's contact me... She describs herself, during her captivity, as being INSIDE the queen.

Let me say that again.

She was inside the queen, locked up in the glass coffin that held her to begin with.

(That would explain why people were able to talk to the SP when Melissa "broke down".)

[SPEC]
This says to me that the SP and Melissa were actually, at some point, two parts of a whole...

Whether it means that the SP is the surpressed human side of Melissa, or a Covie Virus that attached itself, or even that the SP is the true AI and Melissa is the Covie Virus, remains to be seen
[/SPEC]

Okay... Maybe it doesn't prove anything but the fact that the glass coffin was inside Melissa does strike me as significant.

I need to eat dinner... More later.
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 		Maybe when the SP was inside the Queen, as she said, part of her programing rubbed off? Or intragrated. Or something.

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 		We know that AI's are based on real people's brains (remember the Brain Ninja's conversation between Durga and Jersey).

We know that Durga is interested in Kamal but doesn't know why.

We know that Kamal had a brilliant sister that went through an ordeal that sounds an awful lot like the Spartan 2 program that Jan's Dad describes.

We know that the SP acts like a little girl and has trouble remembering "her brother".

So... what if the Spartan 2 process isn't just for Spartan 2's? What if Ship AI's are built the same way? Or... what if the brains from the failed Spartan 2's are still useable for AI work? This would certainly make it possible that the SP is at least some portion of what was Kamal's sister or someone else like her...

Given that we heard that each type of AI has a favorite game and each of those games are pretty much kids games (no chess or poker or anything like that, it's all red rover and hide & seek type stuff) then it's certainly plausible that kids were used to make AI's... still anecdotal but it doesn't contradict the idea of Kamal's kid sister ending up as an AI somewhere.

As to when the Princess wanted to start to "to seek, behold, and reveal the Truth" then I'd say all along if her favorite game is "Hide & Seek". She hasn't just come out and said that's her favorite game yet (or I missed it if she did) but she certainly has told us how much she likes sneaking around the Queen's tower hiding and looking for secret stuff right?

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 		This goes right alog with the ideas that i and others have been feeling for a while. Melissa and SP are or were one and the same that have been split by the crash.

I would put out that SP is Kamal's sister, or at least her as whe was when she was taken and turned into an AI.

After hearing how the sparten 2's were created, being taken at 6 or 7 years old and being put into vats till 14 untill the final stages of sparten 2 creation.

What if the recutment for new AI is now similarl. Take at a young age, the brains are scaned and then built upon to be better than the older versions. This would build an entirely created personality ontop of that of the young "recuit" built specificaly to maximize the capabilities of the AI's.

When the crash happened, the spider was designed to repair the programing that is Melissa but not able to reintegrate SP into the whole which is why she is running around as a "wild process"

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Any potential traitors should be aware that I now have full access to the Killer's key communication channels.

I wonder if this means we'll be getting Melissa blogs as well?
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 		well done HedgeKnight, only your second post and your thinkin just like me....accualy that could be bad for you.... Wink

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Hey dosent the AI that Rani is talking to in the his_skull.wav sound an awfull lot like a certin AI we all know? Could Durga have steped in and intecepted Rani's call to 911? if so why? if not, why the heck does the AI sound like her?

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vector wrote:

After hearing how the sparten 2's were created, being taken at 6 or 7 years old and being put into vats till 14 untill the final stages of sparten 2 creation.

What if the recutment for new AI is now similarl. Take at a young age, the brains are scaned and then built upon to be better than the older versions. This would build an entirely created personality ontop of that of the young "recuit" built specificaly to maximize the capabilities of the AI's.

When the crash happened, the spider was designed to repair the programing that is Melissa but not able to reintegrate SP into the whole which is why she is running around as a "wild process"


I don't really know what you're saying about Spartans (Kirk was only in a vat because he had little to no bone mass) but I like what you're saying about the SP and the Op.

Perhaps Melissa's mind donor had a previously undiagnosed mental affliction, ala multiple personalities or schitzophrenia? Or perhaps she had an affliction towards a disorder that manifested itself through the CIM?
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vector wrote:
well done HedgeKnight, only your second post and your thinkin just like me....accualy that could be bad for you.... Wink


Hehe I'll take that as a compliment regardless. *grin*

Hopefully you won't mind my being so bold as to throw out a couple of other spec's that have been floating around my brain for a bit that kind of go along with this:

The Pious Flea... has there been any discussion here before about the "Pious" part of his name? The definiton of Pious is "Professing or exhibiting a strict, traditional sense of virtue and morality; high-minded". Perhaps the flea is a representation of the AI's "true calling" or purpose as dictated by it's makers programming. Otherwise, what could the Pious part of his name mean?

The SPDR program has been bugging me too. The Princess obviously didn't like the Widow. And there's other references to the Spiders being scary things (the story about the boy whose face was eaten by spiders... perhaps a reference to another kid in the program being "assimilated"?). Perhaps the Spiders are some type of control mechanism that was used to craft and subsequently hold together the AI? Although if this is the case and the Flea is the "computer" part of the AI then I can't really figure out why the Flea would have the Spider killed AND protect the SP unless his intention was just to delay their reintegration (maybe he's got something he needs to get done before that happens?)... or maybe he's just "pretending" to protect the SP so he can do her in later which would leave him completely in control (kind of a fight between two facets of the same mind fighting for dominance thing)? *shrug* I have to admit my conjecture kinda spins it's wheels at this point.

Just wanted to throw it out in case someone else was heading down a similar tangent and could connect the dots I'm missing (or even use this as a means of discovering an alternative theory by refuting it).

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I don't really know what you're saying about Spartans (Kirk was only in a vat because he had little to no bone mass) but I like what you're saying about the SP and the Op.


Check the hopscotch.wav, Jan's dad talks about the spartan 2 program where they recuit young kids and ultimatly place them in vats till around 14 to mod thier bodies to the max, they are barely human and most dont make it through the process. I think that they have started a similar process for creating a new version of the AI's. starting them young so that they are able to get maximum preformence out of the new AI's

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vector wrote:
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I don't really know what you're saying about Spartans (Kirk was only in a vat because he had little to no bone mass) but I like what you're saying about the SP and the Op.


Check the hopscotch.wav, Jan's dad talks about the spartan 2 program where they recuit young kids and ultimatly place them in vats till around 14 to mod thier bodies to the max, they are barely human and most dont make it through the process. I think that they have started a similar process for creating a new version of the AI's. starting them young so that they are able to get maximum preformence out of the new AI's


That's not really how it is. They started their training/education at 6 and around 14 years old they all undergo the modifications. And I hate the prejudice (not from the posters here, but from the Halo universe in general) that the Spartan II's aren't human. They grew up together and are a very close, and dare I say a loving, family. However their entire lives have been in military service and preparing themselves for battle. Excuse them if they lack a few social skills...

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