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Platonix
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 		Re: his_skull
vector wrote:
Hey dosent the AI that Rani is talking to in the his_skull.wav sound an awfull lot like a certin AI we all know? Could Durga have steped in and intecepted Rani's call to 911? if so why? if not, why the heck does the AI sound like her?

Brain...Larynx.
Larynx...Brain.
There's absolutely no reason that an AI's voice must be in some way similar to the brain donor's voice, except for accent and, to some extent, vocabulary. Sure, the AI might choose to build a voice that sounds like his/her original voice, but aren't we in agreement that memory of one's former life is sealed away? The AI wouldn't know what his/her voice sounded like. Female AIs might simply use Generic Female Voice #1-5...
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vector
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 		I agree that it could very well simply be an AI with a similar voice. but in THIS game? everything seems to mean something and it just seems like an AI sounding exactly like Durga is likely to be at least somewhat significant. If nothing else could simply mean that they didnt want to higher another voice actress. but why wouldnt they just NOT have her sound like Durga. We have already seen that she can take over just about anything she wants and that she is interested in Rani. Maybe Durga just wanted to catch the call so that she could talk to Rani, if only as a 911 operator. I dont know, just wondering about it. But it does sound like her right?

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vector
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That's not really how it is. They started their training/education at 6 and around 14 years old they all undergo the modifications. And I hate the prejudice (not from the posters here, but from the Halo universe in general) that the Spartan II's aren't human. They grew up together and are a very close, and dare I say a loving, family. However their entire lives have been in military service and preparing themselves for battle. Excuse them if they lack a few social skills...


Give, Jan's dad doesnt say that they are in vats for the whole time but they are taken early and given ALOT of extra modifications that end in being stuck in a vat for a while. Also he himself, a spartin I, says that they are barely human when they are done with them. and thats comeing from a spartin I. and how much of a normal person will you be if you were kidnaped at 6 and put strait into such a program. you wouldnt be sane when you got out. not that you would ever get out...

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HedgeKnight
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Dead-Eyes wrote:
That's not really how it is. They started their training/education at 6 and around 14 years old they all undergo the modifications. And I hate the prejudice (not from the posters here, but from the Halo universe in general) that the Spartan II's aren't human. They grew up together and are a very close, and dare I say a loving, family. However their entire lives have been in military service and preparing themselves for battle. Excuse them if they lack a few social skills...


True, the words JJ used were "snatch em, train em, tweak em". While checking that, I listened to "Chicken Dinner" again. Here's some more conjecture: Kids that go into the Spartan 2 program wouldn't die right away... they'd die after some duration of training and tweaking (just not surviving that gradual process).

Kamal's sister had whatever happened to her in one night. She complained of "bad men" outside right before she disappeared and she came back brain damaged. So that makes it a bit more likely that she wasn't just an example of kids snatched up for the Spartan 2 project and was actually a victim of the Brain Ninjas that Durga (half?) jokingly referred to when she described the whole brain donor thing.

HK

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 		Re: his_skull
Platonix wrote:
Brain...Larynx.
Larynx...Brain.
There's absolutely no reason that an AI's voice must be in some way similar to the brain donor's voice, except for accent and, to some extent, vocabulary. Sure, the AI might choose to build a voice that sounds like his/her original voice, but aren't we in agreement that memory of one's former life is sealed away? The AI wouldn't know what his/her voice sounded like. Female AIs might simply use Generic Female Voice #1-5...


This might not mean anything but didnt the Princess make a reference to the Queen constructing her voice? The words used to seem to allude to the Queen "crafting" it rather than just throwing something together to use. That would seem to indicate she identifies herself with a particular voice and she worked to build something she was familiar with (wild conjecture on my part to be honest but figured I'd throw it out anyway).

That said, it would also probably be a trivial thing for her to take on whatever voice she wanted to for a phone call (or just indirectly control the simple AI that was part of the emergency system itself like a hand up a puppet).

On the other hand, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Razz

Either way, it'll probably be awhile before we find out if this is really significant or not but probably something worth remembering just in case.

However, I would like to point out that if she WAS there as the Emergency AI, that would indicate she felt a need/desire to directly interact with Rani even at an abstract level and might even be participating in her protection... If Melissa/Durga and Herzog have a history, maybe there's some cooperation going on there? (and now I'll carefully back off this long long limb I've climbed out on hoho!).

HK

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UvulaBob
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 		Now, I'm sure I missed something, but when did we establish that Melissa was sendnig Durga stuff? I thought it was Durga sending things to Melissa and it was bothering her. Can someone clear that up for me?

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HedgeKnight
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UvulaBob wrote:
Now, I'm sure I missed something, but when did we establish that Melissa was sendnig Durga stuff? I thought it was Durga sending things to Melissa and it was bothering her. Can someone clear that up for me?


In the new contactme.html theres a log of the conversation between the Flea and the Princess where the Flea tells the Princess that if she can find the data Melissa is keeping hidden he can transmit it to Durga.

AFAIK, there's nothing new about Melissa sending Durga info and is still actively trying to block Durga's memories (the whole mirror thing).

The question in my mind about this is how the flea plans on accomplishing this feat. Is it just a matter of him being able to use his new influence with Melissa to get her to unblock the info for Durga once it's been located for him? Or does he have some kind of direct connection to Durga? If it's the latter, that might have some interesting implications about what the Flea is and what he's trying to accomplish...

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bcriswell
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HedgeKnight wrote:
Kamal's sister had whatever happened to her in one night. She complained of "bad men" outside right before she disappeared and she came back brain damaged. So that makes it a bit more likely that she wasn't just an example of kids snatched up for the Spartan 2 project and was actually a victim of the Brain Ninjas that Durga (half?) jokingly referred to when she described the whole brain donor thing.

HK

I think the generally accepted spec is that Yasmine was replaced with a flash clone, not that her brain was sucked out and she was returned.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:07 am
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UvulaBob
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 		Sorry, what I meant was when was it established that Melissa was sending Durga anything at all? I always thought the voices in Melissa head were the voice files being sent back in time from Durga.

And when was it revelaed that Durga's reflections were the work of Melissa?

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vector
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 		So Melissa has been hideing some audio from Durga. Now here is the thing that just struck me. How is it that Melissa is able to intersept this audio BEFORE it gets to Durga? we know that the audio is from Durga's timeline, so that means that Melissa is able to somehow grab the audio from this time before it reaches Durga. or she is somehow preventing Durga from seeing it (as in the reflected mirror).

What if the connection that Durga and Melissa share is not just some kind of time travel phone where Melissa just hears the audio. What if it is a realtime mental link! Melissa is processing the incomeing messages and selecting ones that need to be prevented from Durga's concisness. in otherwords the connection dosent just let Melissa and Durga comunicate from two seporate times, they simply exist in both times, with Melissa being the main processor through which all information flows. Im goint to have to think about this some more, it just hit me as i was typeing...

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HedgeKnight
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bcriswell wrote:

I think the generally accepted spec is that Yasmine was replaced with a flash clone, not that her brain was sucked out and she was returned.


Ah of course, I just missed that.... makes perfect sense especially with Kamal's reference to her not recognizing their favorite places and such. Duh.

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HedgeKnight
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UvulaBob wrote:
Sorry, what I meant was when was it established that Melissa was sending Durga anything at all? I always thought the voices in Melissa head were the voice files being sent back in time from Durga.

And when was it revelaed that Durga's reflections were the work of Melissa?


Well in that new contactme.html, the SP says that Melissa is hiding things from Durga which implies a connection. Given that Durga is blocked by a "mirror" when she tries to remember certain things that would seem to be a representation of "herself" (Melissa).

Given that the Flea and SP are on "this" side and has a means of observing and communicating (at least in the Flea's case) with Durga whose somewhere in the future, there's definitely a connection of some sort.

Is that what you were looking for?

HK

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UvulaBob
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 		Ah. So then there was nothing implied before today about Melissa being able to affect Durga? That would explain why it seemed a bit out of left field to me.

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StarvinArtist80
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 		Okay, heres one small reality check about allowing SP or the PF to send info to Durga.

As far as wether this information will affect the covenants ability to find, attack, or otherwise harm earth..........it won't matter one way or the other. That particular storyline is already set in stone. Halo 2's plot line begins with the covenant already on earth. The events of the .wavs take place in the short time before the initial invasion. So regardless of weather or not Durga recieves the confidential files, that plot line isn't going to be affected.

Now, this isn't to say that the plot line of this ARGN won't be affected. I'm simply saying that we souldn't be concerned about information helping the convenant find or attack earth. I think we need to think in a new direction about why this information is being hidden from durga and what the Pious Flea might gain from revealing it to her.

To be honest....i'm completely stumped as to what direction that is.

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Knightkap
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So... what if the Spartan 2 process isn't just for Spartan 2's? What if Ship AI's are built the same way? Or... what if the brains from the failed Spartan 2's are still useable for AI work? This would certainly make it possible that the SP is at least some portion of what was Kamal's sister or someone else like her...


That's the most plausible explanation, I think, that Yasmine "washed out" of the Spartan II program (read: died) during the final modification process, and that her incredibly sharp mind was used as a donor brain to generate an AI.

Question: Are AI's assigned their names at "birth", or are they chosen by the AI's themselves? If the latter, why on Earth would Yasmine have chosen "Melissa"? Curious.

[SPEC]: Given the increasingly likely [SPEC] that Melissa, Durga and the SP are all fragments/aspects of the same AI personality (Id, Ego and Superego?), could it be that the endgame of ILB lies in somehow uniting these adverserial fragments into a cohesive whole?

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