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[SPEC]Durga, Melissa, SP: One and the Same???
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Feros
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[SPEC]Durga, Melissa, SP: One and the Same???

I have several ideas that I wanted to share with the rest of the crew(I posted this someplace else but I added a bit to my perspective on it and put it in a more appropriate location)

btw here come some spoilers to halo first strike so watch out

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in halo first strike cortana has a run in with a covenant AI(which I think is an OLD human AI that has been copied a freaking TON) so Cortana destroys this AI but when she destroys the AI she recovers an AI Copying file however it causes errors in the new copied AI. Later on in the book she copies a portion of herself to send with the MC the copies don't have all of her abilities just "some of them" well the MC invades a covenant ship with this copied cortana and then uses the copied cortana to self destruct the ship, well before the MC escapes Cortana begins copying herself OVER and OVER each time making each copy a little more insane(due to the errors) I think she does this to combat a covenant AI that copies itself to combat a more powerful AI and the two keep copying and fighting eachother until there are only error signals aka Insane.


This also ontains spoilers but I don't reveal too much of the plot(I think)

So heres my thought perhaps Melissa Durga and SP are one and the same Durga being the original Melissa being one of the first copies of Durga and SP being a copy of a copy of Durga. This would explain the degradation to insanity of the AI, Durga is not insane, Melissa is partially insane and SP appears VERY Insane. Now in my recollection of what happened with cortana on the covenant ship it might not have been a covenant AI combating Cortana it might have been herself(in this case the SP), where one of her copies decided that the other copy was a fake or it could have just been insane and not recognized that the other AI on the system was a copy of themselves(there were two copies of cortana on the same system at the same time in this case). Now the copying utility could be the flea, in the story the copy utility was found throughout the code of the AI like it might be "attached"(this is just a thought) so this would explain every charachters purpose in this crazy ass story and it explains the "mistake" durga makes in the future her mistake is "copying" herself. Now we get a little bit more into why this makes sense in the story about the SP she doesn't want to look at herself, hmm the same goes for Durga and Melissa hmm coincidence now in the SP's story she looks at herself and all she sees are random machine parts this looking at oneself could mean to an AI looking at ones own code. Well in this case she would see her own code and MAN she would see a LOT of errors due to the multiple copying process and in turn she would not see herself. Instead she would see the different machine parts.

Now as we know the copies of AI's can actually have different purposes from the books. This could explain the different "objectives" of the different AI's Durga has hers, Melissa may be only a portion of durga, and the SP may only be a portion of melissa(minus melissas ojective) this would also explain the different demeanors towards certain duties and it would also explain the glass coffin. Melissa or Durga may have made SP some time ago to serve a particular task and when the task was complete she placed her in the glass coffin for fear that her visible insanity would require destruction however she decided to keep the construct around in order to keep her inate abilities that melissa did not posess.

Am I crazy or does this all simply make too much sense? On second thought there are many different ways you can look at all these perspectives so I mean this isn' necessarily the right perspective but it does have merit.

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I'm curious. Why do you say the Princess is insane?
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Feros
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either she is insane or she is melissas sub-conscious, I mean really she is fairly off the wall, in both her story as well as in her communiques, true she could just be having some fun, but sometimes there is a fine line between sanity and insanity. I hasve also played around with the idea that possibly just possibly each AI represents the different states of mind.

The ID (SP) -the id is governed by the "pleasure principle" she is always about being happy for the moment.

The EGO(Durga) - the surface of the personality, the part you show the world.

And then somehow the melissa would be the Super-Ego which consists of two parts, the conscience and the ego-ideal. But it is hard to tell if this actually fits melissa, in fact it is easier to say that the SP is the conscience and Durga is the ego-ideal.

this theory doesn't flow as well as my first one does but it is still a possibility, and the flea doesnt rally fall into this theory anywhere but I guess if you look at it from a different perspective it might.

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Trout. Trout

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6716&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ego+superego&start=135

Comes with an explaqnation without going into the Haloverse, thankyouvertymuch!
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What am I not supposed to refrence the "halo-verse" to figure out a story? After all that is all I consider this, a story(loosely based around Halo) with a little bit more open endedness to it. I figured the ID Ego Super-Ego thing had already been mentioned but I didn't bother searching for the post on it or relating to the post I figured I would just tell my perspective on it, Does that make it trout? Either way the schizophrenia part of that thread makes sense from a human point of view however my "haloverse" oriented perspective is as valid if not more since an AI is not a person(even if it has a brain pattern behind it.

Either way I dislike this term "trout" it is basically a way of saying this has already been mentioned but it gives it an elietist air to it because if you don't know what it means you are forced to search for it on the forum.

Personally I won't use it.

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Nightmare Tony
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The link I gave in there was to the post which mentions that theory. There are some other ones, but I forget which, exactly.

The trick is to do the search before posting up the same theory over again. Which is the point of trout. But welcome, and that was your first...

Here is the link again, fyi.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6716&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ego+superego&start=135

but the idea is becoming more and more commonly accepted all around.
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Feros wrote:


Either way I dislike this term "trout" it is basically a way of saying this has already been mentioned but it gives it an elietist air to it because if you don't know what it means you are forced to search for it on the forum.

Personally I won't use it.


It's really not meant to be elitist (and I know you know that), but it's true that a lot of people have been abusing the essence of trout (mmmm, fish!) in order to, I dunno, feel like they're more on top of things than others.

It's a chicken and egg sort of situation. Trout has been used quite successfully in the past, I'm just not so sure how effective it's been so far when people try to trout on speculation and such. At that point, I think it's less a trout issue, and more of a, "Hey, we're discussing it over here! Come on over and lend your wisdom!" kind of a thing.

I know I'd like to see that sort of thing more, personally.

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or maybe a smiley with a bow and trout Razz shoot the trout over to the next thread Smile
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Personally I was theorising that Melissa and SP are simply the components split up that make Durga, and are not just copies, as Durga exhibits behaviour that could be classified as SP and the OP. Anyway, the two personalities of the schism are the SP and Melissa. Melissa is the buissness end of the divide, a humourless goal driven military program with a sense of duty to her crew and multiple uses. She is the part of durga that refuses to reassign Jersey's dad to a post on earth. The SP is the personality of Durga, the "user friendly" interface. She does quite well at communicating with people, but she doesen't get as much accomplished as Melissa. She's the part of durga that likes "to find things".

Somehow when crashing onto the ILB server, Durga splintered into the two entities who then became self aware. Enter SPDR and the rest of the story.

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