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[SPEC]Possible reason WHY Apocalypso is back in 2004
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Arashi
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 		[SPEC]Possible reason WHY Apocalypso is back in 2004
To quote Extrasonic in another thread

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We don't really even know how Melissa got flung back in time when the rest of her crew clearly did not (Greene was hit by a bus and McKaskill's getting off-the-books taxi rides in the post-crash, Durga timeline), but I think we all strongly suspect the artifact that the Apocolypso picked up has some connection to the timetravel.



In First Strike, the Master Chief and his squad pick up an alien artifact, a rock that warps gravity, space, time, subspace, you name it.

They even engage in battle in an alternate... dimension? where the laws of physics, motion and even gravity are completely missing.

What's this have to do with anything?

Dr. Halsey discovers something in the files of on Colonel Ackerson and immediatly whisks away Spartan Kelly and tells one of the marines to destroy the crystal.

She had to have found something out about the crystal in the Colonel's files to make her change her mind so suddenly from "This is a great scientific discovery" to "be right back, oh, by the way, blow this up please"

If we are indeed talking about artifacts causing time travel - my guess is that Dr Halsey and or Colonel Ackerson found something - another crystal - and tried to enter slipspace - landing them in a nice little time we call 2004...

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 		Re: [SPEC]Possible reason WHY Apocalypso is back in 2004
Arashi wrote:
To quote Extrasonic in another thread
If we are indeed talking about artifacts causing time travel - my guess is that Dr Halsey and or Colonel Ackerson found something - another crystal - and tried to enter slipspace - landing them in a nice little time we call 2004...


doubtful. Hasley destroys the artifact (or so she says) so it doesn't land in covenant hands. Also the Apocalyspo clearly made it back to earth because Standish has possesion of the Artifact that the apocalyspo picked up.

I think Melissa is in 2004 because blending the lines between story and real life is what Bungie does. Remember the cortana letters where an AI from 2552 is sending emails to someone in 2000?

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 		Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.
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Nova wrote:
Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?

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ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?


I was there just the other day. All I found was cheese.
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Nova wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?


I was there just the other day. All I found was cheese.

Could you send me some? I like cheese.

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ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?


I was there just the other day. All I found was cheese.

Could you send me some? I like cheese.


Sorry, customs wouldn't let me bring any to the planet. You'll have to get some yourself. Very Happy
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Nova wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
Melissa, the Sleeping Princess, the SPDR and the Flea are the only things that made it to 2004.

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?


I was there just the other day. All I found was cheese.

Could you send me some? I like cheese.


Sorry, customs wouldn't let me bring any to the planet. You'll have to get some yourself. Very Happy


Now that somone has won the X-prize, you actually can get some for yourself. Lucky day!

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 		Re: [OT][HUMOR?][WASTEOFTIME]
ABoxInABox wrote:
Nova wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:

Have you checked the Moon for bodies, or a crashed UFO?

I was there just the other day. All I found was cheese.

Could you send me some? I like cheese.

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Look! They have a recipe page, just like ILB! And the number 3 is sitting right there on the main page, and everyone knows that means Bungie must be involved! C'mon, let's get solving, people!

(/me respectfully requests the judicious application of a tranquilizer dart)
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 		Re: [SPEC]Possible reason WHY Apocalypso is back in 2004
dustinechos wrote:
Arashi wrote:
To quote Extrasonic in another thread
If we are indeed talking about artifacts causing time travel - my guess is that Dr Halsey and or Colonel Ackerson found something - another crystal - and tried to enter slipspace - landing them in a nice little time we call 2004...


doubtful. Hasley destroys the artifact (or so she says) so it doesn't land in covenant hands. Also the Apocalyspo clearly made it back to earth because Standish has possesion of the Artifact that the apocalyspo picked up.

I think Melissa is in 2004 because blending the lines between story and real life is what Bungie does. Remember the cortana letters where an AI from 2552 is sending emails to someone in 2000?


Though the crystal was destroyed, there may be another timethread that has it intact. After all, the crystal warped time before to intersect with the MC:


Pages 242 - 249 FS (FS Spoilers)
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After Dr. Halsey talks with the MC about Johnson's condition on the captured Covenant flagship The Ascendant Justice (p. 242 - 245), Cortana and Dr. Halsey engage in an interesting conversation. One that pertains to the artifact found on Reach.

Cortana and Halsey analyze some discrepancies found between the Spartan's on Reach time logs, and the MC's time logs from Halo (p.247). Cortana states, "The time stamps are off by an average of three weeks. I hypothesize that this was caused by my gravity - influenced slipspace transition." Halsey then smiles and says, "I'm disappointed, Cortana. That's a guess... and an incorrect one at that." Cortana then reviews her analysis of the logs and come to an agreement that indeed her analysis is wrong. Cortana then challenges Dr. Halsey to explain the discrepancies in the time logs, and this (many of you may be confused here) is said between the two:

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""Plot the temporal irregularities (time log discrepancies) on a space-time surface. Then call up my file on the spatial distortion generated by the alien artifact (the artifact from Reach)." On the displays appeared sets of nearly identical curved membranes that stretched about a central location and time: Reach and the recovery of the strange artifact. "That thing not only bends space," Dr. Halsey whispered to herself, "but bends time as well."

"That's not possible," Cortana said. "How could the artifact on Reach affect us on Halo - light years away?"

"Don't think of it as a physical distance," Dr. Halsey replied absentmindedly, staring at the monitors. "You and John were on an event path intersecting the crystal." She moved the curves (on the monitors that deal with the alien artifact) over one another; the time and space surfaces were a perfect match. "You had to be there at that place and time to recover us and remove the crystal - time and space warped to make that event occur."

Cortana gave a derisive laugh. "That's circular logic, Doctor. It directly contravenes several well-established theories—"

"And it fits the know data." Dr. Halsey shut down the files containing here analysis. "I see now why the Covenant are so interested in this object. They mustn't be allowed to get their hands on it. Not them, and certainly not Section Three, either.""(p.247-248)


there is a theory here that i quoted from.

Basically the idea is that

The crystal may have split another timeline; one in which it is still quite intact.
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Remember, at the end of First Strike the date is only September 13, 2552... 9 days before the destruction of Halo, and 6 days before the Pillar of Autumn reaches Halo. Of course, at the end of FS the MC and his crew are no longer aboard the Ascendent Justice, because the Admiral Whitcomb uses it as a decoy, and crashes it into the Unyielding Hierophant so that the MC can escape. NOTE: The Ascendent Justice is still in existence. At the time Whitcomb destroys the Ascendent Justice, it's also en route to Halo. The MC and his crew are aboard the Human ship the Gettysburg at the end of First Strike, and are heading back to Earth.



If this is correct, then the crystal is still intact for the timethread that still has MC en route to Halo.


This theory relies on the notion that BECAUSE we KNOW the crystal can bend time, MAYBE it bent time to PREVENT its destruction.
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(* Shad0 respectfully requests the judicious application of a tranquilizer dart)


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 		This is growing out of a discussion on IRC last night. I haven't read the novels, but hopefully this is close to right.

fact: The covenant attack planets in two ways: they glass them (orbital bombardment) or they perform a more classical assault on the planet's inhabitants. The later is only used in cases where the planet possesses some object of value to the covenant, such as forerunner artifacts.

light speculation: Melissa and the gang were sent back in time via a crystal on board the Apocalypso.

serious speculation: The crystal sent the entire ship back, which proceeded to crash into Earth with crystal on-board. This event is being concealed by the world governments, as to prevent the inevitable panic caused by a ship from the future crashing into earth. The crystal has or will soon find a home in the depths of somewhere not unlike Cheyenne Mountain. When the covenant come to glass Earth, we will make sure that they know there is a forerunner artifact somewhere on the planet, saving us for the short term and giving Halo 2 time to happen.
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 		Plausible, and I would go so far as to say likely, but not certain just yet.

Ground battles are fought on worlds that the Covenant visit that don't have Forerunner artifacts. These worlds are defended by orbital Super MAC guns, which would blast the Covenant ships to pieces if they tried to glass the planet while the guns were still there and active. The Covenant has to land on the planet and destroy the generators for the guns, or manage to overwhelm and destroy the Super MACs from space before it can glass anything. That is what happened on Reach, and I believe it happened on other worlds as well (I can't recall right now and my novels are at home).
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