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[Daddy]

[jellyfish_green]

[skyhawk0000]

Jan, perhaps?

and about J^2 not being strong, or gettign taken down too easily..

Perhaps after the Many yeasrs on the run/in hiding, his training has slipped a little. even super soldiers need to excercise extensivly. That slight handicap, if he didnt realize that he would be slowed down, Could leave a spartan lingering for a little too long in font of some thugs guns/trap. I know he still technically has the reaction times, as shown by the driving, but its always a litle lag when muscle memory is behind.
$.02, and total [SPEC]

[THe_Smakus]

Well, Thin did have the foreknowledge that Jan had taken out a sniper, his spotter, and Gene with the greatest of ease. Upon resolving to "administer some forceful learning" upon Jan, Thin most likely would've done his homework on his new foes. He may be a common thug, but this series of events certainly shows that he's an expert planner.

There is one factor that he could not have known about or planned for, and that's Gillie. Her relationship to J^2, and even her true identity would most likely have been obfuscated by the UNSC, just like James' life as a Spartan. It just so turned out that the one factor he could not have planned for ended up unraveling the entire operation.

And as far as Thin referring to James as "old friend," it seems that Thin has the habit of making up pet names for acquaintances. Just my thoughts. ^_^

[Daddy]

[Avatrix]

[Daddy]

[Platonix]

Um, at what point was it decided that the "scrappy dog" routine was Thin downplaying himself? Isn't it Jan's routine, and James' routine, in charging into the fray growling and snapping? Is Thin's line "fall for" the routine, or "go for" the routine?

[Gram]

[Daddy]

[Ranger D]

[THe_Smakus]

I like to think of it this way, think back to gene's recruitment: Thin didn't just say, "Okay then, you're in the gang." He wanted to have Gene commit some sort of heinous crime as an "initiation." He wanted to have something to hold over Gene's head for the rest of his life, a means through which he could control Gene... and then he had a sniper and a sniper's spotter "covering" him just in case he changed his mind. That sounds like an operation coordinated by an expert planner; it's quite exceptionally thorough for a goal that seems so simple. Jan screwed that plan all to hell, and it wouldn't have been impossible for Thin to know the details of how she did it. If we could listen in, why not Thin too?

In any case, if this same meticulous gang boss wanted to teach Jan a lesson, and knows that she's very dangerous, and finds out that her father is even more so, he would go about setting a trap for the both of them. ...a trap designed especially for them. There's even a chance that he might not have planned to kill J^2 initially; unfortunately, when he started to tear through the bucknet with his brute strength (something thin might not have planned for, something that certainly surprised his cohort, Bradley), they shot and killed him.

I understand your argument Daddy, but it seems you're placing the entire weight of your speculation upon two lines of dialogue. Even collectively, "nothing personal" and "old pal" just aren't enough evidence in my mind to give cause for one to infer an entirely disincongruous background for Thin, and by extension, Gladys, James, and others as well.

There were even a hinting at Thin's reprisal at the end of Chapter Four (from Paolo no less. Someone else she saved from Thin); Jan seemed entirely flippant/overconfident at the prosepect. She underestimated Thin because she was so "easily" able to undermine his plans, and James did the same by going in without backup. Now it's time for Jan's reprisals, and i believe team Jersey might be able to help.

[Daddy]

[daboking]

daddy, there is some great SPEC going on in this thread:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7194
it may tie up some of the things that do not seem to add up.

[Smoke]

Look, it's not so hard to believe that Thin could take down a Spartan. Look at the situation:

JJ is a Spartan 1.0. Though super soldiers, they are nowhere near what we are used to. They have increased muscle mass, bone density, and souped up reflexes, but Spartan IIs are lightyears beyond them. Thick bones are not bulletproof. 1.0s, aside from being psychologically unstable, aren't *that* super.

He didn't have any tac gear. No guns, otherwise he would have dropped the punks without so much an an eyeblink. No MJOLNIR armor. Spartans are scary, but stuff them in a Mark VI, and they're nigh-unstoppable. Heck, a vest of kevlar or some old Titanium-A battle plate could have done the job.

One much better-than-average super soldier out of the military for years, alone, with no weapons, emotionally distressed at the thought/sight of his only daughter being tortured, is quite easily taken down by a thug with a handful of men.

Had JJ been more sneaky, or at least brought a gun with him, things would have been different.