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Aspmaster
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I was thinking to myself last week I wonder what would happen if someone said they was Dana during a live call.

I would say that I'm Dana, but Melissa already knows that Dana is a female based on the killer.jpg images. I was going to hand the phone to my wife if my personal call was a live call last night. I just wanted to see how Melissa would react to this.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:43 am
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VirtualWolf
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Dana wrote:
hide and
Hi. This is Dana.

If you're trying to have me hunted down and shot like a dog, please feel free to use my email and voicemail to communicate with Melissa. Everyone else is.

While you're at it, please give a big hug for me to Adam.


Hahah, the sheer amount of sarcasm dripping from that post made me grin. Very Happy

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ROBOGriff
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Aspmaster wrote:
ROBOGriff wrote:
This may be asking alot, but can somone post dana's blog message for those of us at work.


Sure. No problem. Here you go:

Dana's blog wrote:
hide and
Hi. This is Dana.

If you're trying to have me hunted down and shot like a dog, please feel free to use my email and voicemail to communicate with Melissa. Everyone else is.

While you're at it, please give a big hug for me to Adam.


Thanks Master Chef,

As for the blog, I'm only taking this as Dana being facetious. I do believe that she will probably trim the number of blog updates due to being on the run.

Now for the topic of scrifice:
Being a veteran of the armed forces of the US, I know about sacrifice. I understand about the need for giving up one to save many. I strongly believe in that nessisary evil. But I also belive in playing by the rules. Unarmed civilians are not acceptable targets. Period! Exclamation Exclamation
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Aspmaster
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ROBOGriff wrote:

Now for the topic of scrifice:
Being a veteran of the armed forces of the US, I know about sacrifice. I understand about the need for giving up one to save many. I strongly believe in that nessisary evil. But I also belive in playing by the rules. Unarmed civilians are not acceptable targets. Period! Exclamation Exclamation


I agree, but I don't [SPEC] that Melissa plays by the same rules as us.

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Aspmaster wrote:
ROBOGriff wrote:

Now for the topic of scrifice:
Being a veteran of the armed forces of the US, I know about sacrifice. I understand about the need for giving up one to save many. I strongly believe in that nessisary evil. But I also belive in playing by the rules. Unarmed civilians are not acceptable targets. Period! Exclamation Exclamation


I agree, but I don't [SPEC] that Melissa plays by the same rules as us.


Agreed. Seems the UNSC doesn't follow many "rules" in its dealings with civilians. Even 6 year old children civilians.
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weephun wrote:


Agreed. Seems the UNSC doesn't follow many "rules" in its dealings with civilians. Even 6 year old children civilians.



Maybe this is the future's version of the draft? But more importantly we are in the un-enviable position of determining the fate of a (in game) civilian human female. We have the opportunity of play by today's rules. Dana is a non-combatant and if anyone wants to throw her to the wolves without a damn good reason will have to contend with me and the wraith of like minded individuals. Weephun, you alaready know what that feels like from the prior "incident".

We can restore an AI from a backup, but there's no comming back from death.
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Aspmaster
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ROBOGriff wrote:
weephun wrote:


Agreed. Seems the UNSC doesn't follow many "rules" in its dealings with civilians. Even 6 year old children civilians.



Maybe this is the future's version of the draft? But more importantly we are in the un-enviable position of determining the fate of a (in game) civilian human female. We have the opportunity of play by today's rules. Dana is a non-combatant and if anyone wants to throw her to the wolves without a damn good reason will have to contend with me and the wraith of like minded individuals. Weephun, you alaready know what that feels like from the prior "incident".

We can restore an AI from a backup, but there's no comming back from death.


Very good point. We are the UNSC crew of the ship Apocolypso, and because Melissa is just an AI, she has to play by our rules or risk being shut off herself. Smile

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Just an AI

weephun wrote:


ery good point. We are the UNSC crew of the ship Apocolypso, and because Melissa is just an AI, she has to play by our rules or risk being shut off herself. Smile


Melissa is just an AI, An AI from the future seems that she is playing by her own rules,

Shut her off shes into lots of systems now

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daboking
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The "truth" is only a secondary goal, the way I see it (except where it overlaps with helping Dana). Dana IS the priority here. Whew, amazing how many people are gaining dark side points here!!! Evil or Very Mad Now I propose an offshoot of SParmy called DANarmy. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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GabrielBlade
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Captain Gabriel Blade, of the UNSC Marathon-class cruiser Furious Vengeance, signing on for the DANArmy!


Seriously, I can't believe how many people are willing to sacrifice and innocent to advance a cause we're not even sure is the right one! In war, yes, soldiers can be sacrificed - as Mendez said to the Master Cheif - "It is acceptable in some situations to spend your soldiers lives.. it is never acceptable to waste them."


We are on the verge of making a wrong decision here. We cannot allow ourselves to waste the life of Dana in return for a vague promise of something else. We are human, we are better than that. More importantly, we're creative, and we should be capable of figuring out other solutions.


I hate to have to force sides about this, but I for one will not stand by and let people coldly sacrifice another person. If there were any way I could switch my position with Dana's, then I would be more than willing to be sacrificed - but Dana has been given no choice in the matter, and that is beyond wrong. I repeat, I will not allow the blood of an innocent to be on my hands for this unknown cause.

Anyone who disagrees with me, feel free to say so.
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THe_Smakus
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Woo.

I agree with Robo-Griff that this decision does put us into somewhat of an ideological bind.
Though a ship's AI doesn't have any formal connection to the naval command structure (and thus, is not in a position to issue orders to certified personnel), the AI usually has the ship's, the crew's, and the mission's best interests in mind. As such, most personnel view the AI as a very well informed civilian advisor, and make their decisions accordingly. If Melissa orders us to give up Dana's position, it's still our choice whether or not to do so.

I for one will not discriminate against my fellow beekeepers/crew, no matter their choice in this issue. If Dana ends up in Melissa's clutches, the only thing we can endeavor to do from such a point, is to move the "game" forward. Hopefully there would be a chance for rescue/safety for Dana, much like there was for the Princess; this is not guaranteed though. For better or worse, no matter the result, our morals are being tested. Unfortunately, the actions of a few could undermine the feelings of the general consensus in this issue. This doesn't mean that we should further divide ourselves based on this matter; i believe that remaining cohesive and steadfast (as a tight group, much like a ship's crew) would be the best way to face these mounting problems.

Though i would personally be unhappy if Dana were sacrificed to Melissa for whatever reason, i would respect the choice of those who saw fit to pursue that course of action. Hate the sin, not the sinner, so to speak.

For the record, i am not for the "public lynching" of Weephun, Adam, or anyone else. To my knowledge, this is still a game. It is your prerogative to play however you like. No one can make your own choices for you, not even Melissa.
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vector
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For those who belive that giving Dana over to Melissa to "advance the game" I would like to know just how it will do that? Dana has done nothing to Melissa, has no ability to do anything to Melissa, Isn't holding any information from Melissa and is essential useless to Melissa for anything that will help with the Durga connection, the SP connection and im pretty sure that Dana isn't behind the flea either. There is no reason to give let the INSANE AI attack an innocent person for NO REASON so please if you do belive that there is a reason other than because Melissa says so, please let me know what you are seeing that I am not. I see no way in which haveing Melissa concentrate on killing an inocent here will advance the game in any usefull manor

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I think people are just seeing it as simply as:

Character A wants B to happen. So, our goal = Give B to Character A.

Unfortunately, equating a character's desires with the ultimate desires of the PMs may not be what we're really working for.

"Advancing the game" as a reason for turning Dana in is flimsy, at best. Until we get more information about Dana, we absolutely need to view Melissa's unreasonable hatred for Dana as just that, unreasonable.

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She didn't seem to care about Dana this week. I don't recall any mentions of "the Assasin" in the interaction transcripts. Perhaps that was just a loyalty test last week?
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well said, krystyn
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