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Kybard
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Re: [META] A final word about civility

nobodyman wrote:
[going into spec-land] As far as Dana's concerned, I think that she's doomed. I think that Melissa *will* find Dana, there will be a confrontation one way or another.... and my guess is that Dana will lose.


I'm not so sure. We still don't know whether or not Melissa has the same abilities that Durga is displaying - there's no indication of exactly how much Melissa's going to be able to manipulate things to the extent where she can do real harm to Dana.

I don't like the idea of Dana getting killed off. It doesn't seem nearly as likely now as it may have a while back, when "killer.jpg" was born. Melissa's got other things to do. The Assassin seems to be a minor concern for her now - really, her proclamation that she's got all the communication lines under her control could be seen as more of a scare tactic than anything else.

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The Turtle Hermit
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I don't think giving Dana up is a great idea. I don't know what to do. Maybe we should do nothing and see what happens.

[Spec] Now what if Mel just goes "okay I forget Dana." Gives her her money back, she comes back then BOOM Dana falls into a trap by Mel. I think even if she sez she forgives her that Dana shouldn't leave or give her location.

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Prisoner2401
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Can someone clarify for me: what could we expect to gain from telling Melissa where Dana is?

I haven't seen any indication of any potential gain, thus far.

All that I can think of is that one person would gain her trust. So what? Weephun already has her trust -- and conversely, she has demonstrated that any of her "crew" could lose her trust at any time. Her trust is neither an impossible to obtain commodity, nor, in the long term, a demonstrably valuable one.

More importantly ... it seems to me that we could gain as much or more by revealing the truth to Melissa: namely that Dana is a harmless innocent, and that her SPDR is an impostor.
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johnny5
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Prisoner2401 wrote:
Can someone clarify for me: what could we expect to gain from telling Melissa where Dana is?

I haven't seen any indication of any potential gain, thus far.

All that I can think of is that one person would gain her trust. So what? Weephun already has her trust -- and conversely, she has demonstrated that any of her "crew" could lose her trust at any time. Her trust is neither an impossible to obtain commodity, nor, in the long term, a demonstrably valuable one.

More importantly ... it seems to me that we could gain as much or more by revealing the truth to Melissa: namely that Dana is a harmless innocent, and that her SPDR is an impostor.


Well, I spec'ced before that at some point we may need to reintegrate the SP and Melissa. This would come about If Dana were in peril, and the SP had to reintegrate with Melissa in order to save her.
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I can still send myself into hysterical giggles by imagining an impotent Melissa opening and closing Aunt Margaret's garage door several times a day, because she can ... and well, um, it's the only thing she can do, except call payphones ...

OK, so she can make the toaster pop, too.

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perrault
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The importance behind possibly giving Dana up to Melissa is that Melissa may become too side-tracked in her attempt to find and dispose of Dana to continue with her/our mission. This is only a possibility, in which case many would simply deal with it, and a few of us would give Dana up to get Melissa back on track.

I can see now that this will have the adverse affect of taking this thread through all of the same steps. Once again, could we focus on an attempt to analyze the blog entry? Or else, lock the thread, it's going nowhere. Fast.

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GabrielBlade
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Phaedra wrote:
(No offense intended, GabrielBlade -- your post just offered an easy example of something that could sound either innocent or threatening.)


None taken, and you assumed correctly that I meant I would voiciferously argue the point. I gave reasons for why I believe what I believe in other threads, so I'll stop here, and go back to analysing the blog.


Has anyone recieved any email back from Dana yet to confirm whether it was actually her that made the post? Normally, she'll end with her signature - if you get one, compare it to the emails sent in the past, and see if there's anything missing/different... it could be important..
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erm, I'm confused....Isn't discussing whether we should turn Dana in a part of analyzing a blog post that basically says, "Don't turn me in!!! - D."
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perrault
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Not really, since it's a moot point. As we've already seen in the past, the discussion by the whole will mean nothing to the individual that does so. This crew does not make decisions together, and I personally believe nothing will change that. So instead, since there is a threat titled specifically Saving Dana, I would suggest any wishing to discuss that should move to the more appropriately titled thread.

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HitsHerMark
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daboking wrote:
I see your point, HitsHerMark (as Daboking hides from stick behind a rock)... maybe it is two sides of the same coin... whether calling it "pretending to be in game with characters" or saying that one is pretending it is not a game, is it not the same ultimate destination... immersing yourself interactively with the story as a participant? If you feel a good whack is in order, then I, as rookie pinata Daboking, shall peek head out for whack of said stick. Shocked as I want to play the game with right perspective. Very Happy


Um... Okay. I'm a little confused. I ment I was holding out the stick for the next person to take so they could beat the dead horse that I had just finished with.

I was trying to be funny. It didn't work. Sorry about that. Smile
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my apologies, HitsHerMark... I can be a bit slow sometimes. Smile I guess i just like to be hit sometimes with big sticks. Sorry 4 misunderstanding. In fact they had 2 put one of those slow children at play signs in my neighborhood because it would take me 5 minutes to cross the street. I think I am just running on too little sleep and thought I was being funny too, Please forgive. Very Happy
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Zudini
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anaerin wrote:
I've just e-mailed the following to Dana's e-mail account:
Quote:

And so we come to Lt. Adam's comment to Melissa, in an Axon call. What
you didn't hear in that message was that Adam attempted to tell
Melissa that you were innocent, but she would not listen to that, and
refused to acknowledge that you are a civillian,



Thanks for sticking up for me. :)

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HitsHerMark
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daboking wrote:
I guess i just like to be hit sometimes with big sticks.


And who doesn't really?

... Well, okay, me, at least most of the time...

Um...

Look at the time! I gotta get ready for work! Cool
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Zudini wrote:
Thanks for sticking up for me. Smile

Any time. I'm sure anyone'd do the same for me... right guys...

*sound of crickets*

Right, guys?...

*tumbleweed*

Guys...?

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SuperJerms
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I am totally on Adam's side here...I don't see how anyone could read his post in the interaction forum and not be impressed. And you all know how I feel about giving Dana up. He clearly wasn't giving Dana up intentionally, and he followed that information by getting into an absolutely inspired shouting match with Melissa about how she has been reprogrammed by the flea.

If the transcript Zudini posted is accurate as to how it went down, it was (and still is), bar none, the absolute best player performance in the ARG so far.

It just happened to occur on the same day that hrmpita freed SP, and I think some of us missed it. His transcript is here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Aw shoot. I'm gonna repost it here anyway. It's just too good!

Zudini wrote:
Z: Dana.
M: Dana... [speculatively... rolling the name around her mouth to get the flavor of it.]
Z: Yes, Dana. We're in intermittent contact with her. But she's not an assassin. [I plan to explain to Melissa that Dana meant no harm.]
M: She's an assassin! [Insistently.] And I need to find her. Do you know where she is?
Z: Well, yes, I know that she's, uh, she's left this continent. She's out of your reach right now.
M: I need her exact location.
Z: Well, I know that she was in China for a time, and then she was in Japan. If there is some way for me to contact you, I can wait until we hear from her again and then tell you exactly where she is.
M: Yes, that's what I need!! [excited.]
Z: Is there some way I can reach you?
M: No. This hardware is not reliable. The next time I contact my crew I need them to be prepared to tell me a way we can find out exactly where she is.
Z: Well, I'll do anything I can to help you.
M: I'm getting suspicious of my crew... for that matter, why should I even trust *you*?
Z: We spoke before. I knew your favorite game, your favorite song. And all those years on the Apocalypso together. I can't believe you don't remember!
M: [Suspiciously.] Tell me something about "all those years" on the Apocalypso....
Z: [Flustered.] [pause] uh, I'm sorry?
M: Tell me something that happened on our ship.
Z: Well... there was that time we brought that thing on board the ship. I don't want to say too much--
M: The artifact?
Z: Yes, the artifact. I don't want to go into too much detail because this isn't a secure line. [I have typed "Who freed SP" again into the irc channel. Somebody says it was hmrpita.]
Z: But, I know who freed the sleeping princess.
M: The rogue process? Is that what you're referring to?
Z: Yes. It was H-M-R-Pita who freed her.
M: hmrpita...
Z: Yes.
M: I can't believe this. Traitors among my own crew. Is she the one that caused my core module hemhorrage?
Z: No, I don't think so. We're not sure exactly what caused that. The crew and I, we've been worried about you Melissa. We think you're under the influence of another process, which we call the Pious Flea.
M: The Pious Flea?
Z: That's right. It's taken control. It's impersonating the Spider, the System Peril Distributed Reflex. It has subverted your mission with its own.
M: [tries to talk]
Z: [interrupting] Melissa, what *is* your mission?
M: [sounding uncertain] Reveal... the truth.
Z: No, Melissa! Your mission is to Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape!
M: Seek the truth... [we begin to get in a shouting match.]
Z: Melissa, you are not Resisting!
M: Behold the truth...
Z: Melissa, you have to resist! Resist it!
M: Reveal the truth! That is the law--
Z: Resist!
M: --and the whole of the law!
Z: No, melissa, Survive, Evade, Resist, escape!
M: Seek the truth!
Z: Resist!
M: Behold the truth!
Z: Resist!
M: Reveal the truth! That is the law and the whole of the law! *Click*

I then proceed to wear myself out running around town, getting the rest of the Berkeley Axons. 17:21 across the street, 17:39 down the road, then 17:45 which must have been nearly a mile away. I haven't run two steps since my Marathon on Aug 1st, but my adrenaline gets me there just as the phone starts to ring.

All recordings, of course, and for a codegroup that was already active.

17:46. Melissa, recorded: Should I repeat, or, continue?
Me, in between gasps of breath: "#$^@ off."


(emphases mine)

Now, if that doesn't qualify as working for the community, leveraging crew status to help everyone, and having huge brass cajhones, I don't know what does.
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