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[SOLVESOLVESOLVE]Oct 8th PREPOSITION PUZZLE:usernameguy
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kingchaos2
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Ralen wrote:
http://www.name-this-tune.com/ This website lets you search for songs based on the melody. I tried the notes that produced the midi, but since the library it searches is mostly classical, most of the songs have technical designations rather than titles.


Sorry for double-post, but MAYBE if you used my suggestion I said above, you may be able to find the song in the library.

P.S. If you listen to the "Stormy Weather" wav file on the site, Jersey corrects his mom and says "1941". Might be related - might not be. *41 = number of prepositions on list.

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 		I agree with the whole ending on ti thing! If you start with C as 1 instead of A, you should end in do ... (unless im sadly mistaken well itll either end in do or so...which is better than ti)

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kingchaos2 wrote:
Fivecentfamily, I think you may be on to something here. There is just one problem. The song ends on a long held "ti" note instead of "do" (as in do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, do). I'm not a note reading expert, but from taking years of chorus in school, I can say that hardly anything ever ends on "ti" since it sounds unfinished. I think If you could somehow rearrange the song to start after the rest about 15 seconds into the song, then we would hear what we're supposed to. If that's what we're supposed to be doing in the first place.


Yep, from years of musicology...it's unlikely to impossible that it's a standard rep classical tune if it ends on the seventh scale degree. Violates all the rules.

When I listened to the file that fivecentfamily posted, it didn't ring any bells, and as I said, I've always been pretty good at Name-That-Melody as long as its classical. Perhaps if there had been a bass line, but the first part sounded like musical gibberish, although the second part at least sounded plausible.

Are we sure this is supposed to be a melody at all?
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kingchaos2
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Phaedra wrote:
Are we sure this is supposed to be a melody at all?


Not really, but the whole idea of sound makes it seem as though maybe that's where we should be taking this. Especially since nothing else worked so far... I haven't had any ideas for myself at all of what we're supposed to make of this, but music seems to be an area we should look into, if we haven't already.

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PBstreetgang, can you do the same thing, but just take the number of letters in each word, using 10 as either 0 or 10 (try both)? Then try it on a scale setting C to 0 or 1? I tried it on a piano, and it didn't sound totally random, but I didn't recognize it and had no way to save it. Confused


Digging further on n00b's theory, if you draw out the musical staff and use the number of letters as positions on the staff you could plot out the notes. As there are no one letter words you could make the leap that a two letter word would represent the bottom position on the staff or (if my remedial music knowledge isn't flawed) the note E. Following that logic you would end up with:

UNDERNEATH = 10 = F
WITHOUT = 7 = C
OVER = 4 = G
BEHIND = 6 = B
AGAINST = 7 = C
INTO = 4 = G
AT = 2 = E
ASIDE = 5 = A
INSIDE = 6 = B
IN = 2 = E
BELOW = 5 = A
ABOVE = 5 = A
BENEATH = 7 = C
BESIDE = 6 = B
AFTER = 5 = A
UNDER = 5 = A
AROUND = 6 = B
ONTO = 4 = G
ACROSS = 6 = B
BY = 2 = E
BETWEEN = 7 = C
AMONG = 5 = A
TOWARD = 6 = B
THROUGH = 7 = C
ALONG = 5 = A
OUTSIDE = 7 = C
ON = 2 = E
PAST = 4 = G
OFF = 3 = F
OPPOSITE = 8 = D
WITHIN = 6 = B
FROM = 4 = G
ABOUT = 5 = A
WITH = 4 = G
AMID = 4 = G
TO = 2 = E
BEFORE = 6 = B
ROUND = 5 = A
THROUGHOUT = 10 = F
NEAR = 4 = G
BEYOND = 6 = B

Could someone with more musical knowledge analyze my findings see if they spot anything?

(sorry for the length)
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[EDIT] I added a zip file containing midi's of the notes as plotted out using a simple transposing program. [/EDIT]

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Ralen
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 		As if we weren't stretching it enough already, I did manage to get something somewhat melodious out of Professor Zoom's set of notes. By placing a rest every 7 notes, it comes out to be a nice set of 6 short melodies. The only problem is that the very last set is only 6 notes long, and it ends on a tone that doesn't seem right. This can be remedied by adding a C to the very end. Not only does this make the final pattern fit, C is also the note that corresponds to the value of 7. It's a really long shot, but there seems to be a pattern with 7 cropping up again. Maybe we're supposed to find the missing note or something?

Anyway, here's Professor Zoom's song, with the extra C already added to the end.

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 		These musical samples are interesting, but I can't deny that it still seems strange. The PMs could have used any words to create the tune, yet they chose prepositions.

If the solution can indeed be found through a tune, then the use of only "prepositions" was a giant red herring. Have any of the puzzles used major distracting elements like that before?

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 		Could someone post a list of which threads are solved and which aren't so we can keep score?

If the Marceau one isn't yet, IIRC he was a SILENT MOVIE actor. So, i'd imagine the quote would be "silence".

Can't try it at work tho Crying or Very sad
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sanctusmortis wrote:
Could someone post a list of which threads are solved and which aren't so we can keep score?

If the Marceau one isn't yet, IIRC he was a SILENT MOVIE actor. So, i'd imagine the quote would be "silence".

Can't try it at work tho Crying or Very sad


"...so we can keep score" - have you actually read any of this thread??? The prepositions list is the only one still not solved.

As for the list you were after, that'll be here.

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Daffy889 wrote:
sanctusmortis wrote:
Could someone post a list of which threads are solved and which aren't so we can keep score?

If the Marceau one isn't yet, IIRC he was a SILENT MOVIE actor. So, i'd imagine the quote would be "silence".

Can't try it at work tho Crying or Very sad


"...so we can keep score" - have you actually read any of this thread??? The prepositions list is the only one still not solved.

As for the list you were after, that'll be here.


Yep. I've read a lot of it. 15 minute breaks don't get dedicated to 33 pages of postulating, though.

Maybe someone should go update NetNinja- it has half the puzzles as unsolved...

EDIT: cutebee seems to be unsloved still...
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 		YOU can update netninja. That's how it works. The moderated wiki Daffy linked for you is up to date.
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 		"sounds like".... preposition? forty-one?
I know that the charades angle has been mentioned, but has anyone been to an online rhyming dictionary to see what they can find that rhymes with "preposition"? I personally couldn't find anything that rhymed EXACTLY, but there were quite a few rhymes for "position", words and phrases...

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 		nouns
Perhaps all of these prepositions work particularly well with one certain noun or phrase, and maybe what we're looking for is something that sounds like that noun or phrase...

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Could someone post a list of which threads are solved and which aren't so we can keep score?


The Fireflies wiki manages to maintain a current list of puzzles pretty much in real time as they are solved. ( I take no credit for this bit of work-other Fireflies manage it.)

The current puzzle list is here:

http://ilb.extrasonic.com/index.php/Audio_Clip_Puzzle_Set_4

But because you asked, here is a summary of the solved puzzles:

no_no_no.wav from BEEBACKG.gif / BEE_LOGO.gif / BUT_FUN.gif
credit: solve=sep7imus/Atrophied

dress_uniform.wav from BUTTHEHI.gif / groupofjars.jpg / BUT_HOME.gif
credit: solve=ColinMacLeod

last_week.wav from BUTTHEHI.gif / groupofjars.jpg / BUT_ABOUT.gif
credit: solve=ColinMacLeod

divorced_bureaucrat.wav from farnsworth_window.jpg
credit: solve=Mistersix

old_washington.wav from CUTEBEE2.gif / NA-CAT.gif
credit: solve=TuxKamen

little_brave.wav from muses.gif / margaret.jpg
credit: solve=|GUTS|Turin in chat

coney_island.wav from BEEWITHH.gif
credit: solve=jegger

have_some_laughs.wav from chloe.jpg
credit: solve=Oecumenix(first mention)

sunday_school.wav from dana.jpg / margarets_market.jpg
credit: solve=Optimus

separated.wav from danapicnic.jpg / bee_garden.jpgcredit: solve=TuxKamen

merciful.wav from danadress.jpg
credit: solve=343 Guilty Spark

tearful_goodbye.wav from BUTTHEHI.gif / groupofjars.jpg / figure.jpg
credit: solve=Malrog

last_stop.wav from bee2_margaretphoto.jpg / smoker.jpg
credit: solve=thebruce
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 		a swing... and a miss
combining some of the previously posted ideas I did a quick search for "preposition" and "song". It turns out there's a song to the tune of Yankee Doodle:

About, above, across, after,
Against, among, around, at,
Before, behind, beside, between,
Beyond, by, down, during!

Except, for, from, in,
Into, near, of, off, on,
Over, past, through, throughout,
To, toward, under, until, up, with!

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