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[SOLVESOLVESOLVE]Oct 8th PREPOSITION PUZZLE:usernameguy
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Guido Jones
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thebruce wrote:
IMO, trying to think of possible filenames based on what could possibly be in the dialogue is a large waste of time - there's no guarantee that the filename will relate at all to the subject of the audio clip. One character at any point could say a cliche or metaphor or something, and that could be the filename, it's happened before...

so while you are free to try out possible phrases that may be used in the clip, I'd say your time would be better used trying to solve the puzzle...

but that's just IMO Wink


Example: Burrito_Funeral.wav

Alas, I think it's the only hope we've got at finding the wav at this point though, barring any flashes of brilliance
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ironchefmike
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Clarence_Worley wrote:
I had a thought that "SOUNDS LIKE" might refer to music and tried to see if the word list could be translated to notes in a scale. Here's what I came up with, using the length of the word and the dashes to represent a C Major scale, ending with C (since that's the first note).



Sorry for the wonky formatting, the tabs didn't translate correctly.

Anyway, my hope was that the resulting melody might be a recognizeable song, but upon playing around with my keyboard, I can't make it anything I recognize. Without knowing the tempo or length of each note it would be pretty hard.

If anyone wants to try transposing the key or noodling around with this idea more, that would be great.


Well, to expand on the music theory (and personally, I think the solution is going to be annoying simple and not down this road, but...), Western music has 12 tones if you include the flats and sharps. So instead of just A through G, you could do this:

A-A#-B-C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#

(dashes added to make it easier to read)

This is a long enough scale to encompass the longest words on the list without having to double back and reuse notes.


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 		i know it was a short bump, but the post was only on page 44 for 30 seconds before we got a new page, but i now see that it was not lost... sorry Smile
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 		Um, a bump 1 minute after the previous post??!!

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Now my current thinking is.. "Sounds like Time and Place". (time_and_place.wav doesn't work incidentally).


No combinations of "thyme," "plays," and "plaice" I tried worked. But there may be iterations I missed. Excellent idea!

Also, I think that every angle should be pursued; the best part about having a lot of people working on one puzzle is many leads can be followed at once. I say, pursue whatever makes sense, and post whatever half-makes sense. So don't stop trying contextual guesses; don't stop guessing anything.

To condense some ideas, we've tried words that sould like: preposition, location, place/time, direction, relative (to), position, capital, 41, list (of)... but there are hundreds of permutations within these words that may not have been tried. And the list is not exhaustive, i'm sure. What have I missed?

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Clarence_Worley
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ironchefmike wrote:
Well, to expand on the music theory (and personally, I think the solution is going to be annoying simple and not down this road, but...), Western music has 12 tones if you include the flats and sharps. So instead of just A through G, you could do this:

A-A#-B-C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#

(dashes added to make it easier to read)

This is a long enough scale to encompass the longest words on the list without having to double back and reuse notes.



My only thought on re-using notes was that since the shortest words are two characters, you wouldn't be able to use all of the notes without repeating some. Also, using a chromatic scale would be less likely to produce a real melody than a major or minor scale.

I agree with an earlier poster that this puzzle is either so simple that we're overlooking the obvious, or it's deviously hard (which the music direction might relate to).

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Tien_Le
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 		preposition hell
edit: According to the transcripts, the missing wav is a conversation between Herzog and Rani.

I think it has something to do with this comment:
Herzog: Three close personal friends of the guy who fell off your roof last week have my house staked out. Wouldn't you like to know why?

I'm speccing that Herzog is setting her up with a mission of some sort. It appears that she objects to this based on this comment: Rani: Well, this is my day, and I don't know. I'm thinking I might quit and go home, but I'm afraid y'all won't let me.

I'm scratching my head about what could he have said to her that would have a word that sounded like prepositions in it.
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 		I noticed a lot of people using rhyming dictionaries. Soundex or Metaphone dictionaries might be more useful (yes I know that some rhyming dictionaries use these algorithms on the ends of words). After all how does an AI determine which things sound alike. If nothing else it may spark a new idea:

http://www.wbrogden.com/phonetic/index.html

YT,
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HalfMoon
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Now my current thinking is.. "Sounds like Time and Place". (time_and_place.wav doesn't work incidentally).


Neither does "time_and_space", I'd like to note.

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Torrasque
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 		What about the order that the preositions are in. Wouldn't it be easy to put them in alphabetical order. Maybe they are in the order that their in for a reason. Each word has its own place in the list.
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Lt. Bingo Clamshell
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 		Yeah, I tried putting them in alphabetical order. I put the number to the amount of each that started with a particular letter, but it got me nowhere.

A's - 11 - J
B's - 08 - H
F's - 01 - A
I's - 03 - C
N's - 01 - A
O's - 06 - F
P's - 01 - A
R's - 01 - A
T's - 04 - D
U's - 02 - B
W's - 03 - C

No plausible anagrams with the letters.

So unless something sounds like Jhacafaadbc, it's a dead end.

(1st post, couldn't read through all 45 pages, sorry if it's trout)
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Torrasque
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 		Acually I posted that on a prevous page.
11 = K Smile
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Lt. Bingo Clamshell
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Torrasque wrote:
11 = K Smile


Um... I know. I was testing you.
You passed. Smile
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Torrasque
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 		What I was thinking is if we subtract the value of where in the list the word is and where in the list it would be if in order, making all numerical solutions positive, throwing out anything over 26, and then finding a word that sounds like the word we find. This of course only works if we get a word from this process.
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 		Is 'OPPOSITE' for sure a preposition?
I don't think opposite is a preposition. I can't think of a usage where it could be a preposition. Add me to the camp that says these words are supposed to be opposite sets.
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