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[SOLVESOLVESOLVE]Oct 8th PREPOSITION PUZZLE:usernameguy
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HitsHerMark
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That's a good one, the only thing I remember like that is that nearly all poems by Emily Dickinson fit the tune of "Yellow Rose of Texas"...

Because I could not stop for death, he kindly stopped for me. The carriage held but just us six and immortality...

Three shows daily, stay for the veal.

I'm still convinced that "proposition" is involved somehow. Listening to the files we do have, it seems to me that the part we're missing is the part where Hurtzog offers Rani a job as one of his moles.

So the word "proposition" fits well with that.

Talking to a friend of mine, I explained the situation, and she said the same thing just about everybody has been saying, that you can tell a word is a preposition if it fits "The squirrel ran <blank> the trees."

Of course, she went on, there are exceptions to that rule. BUT (and this is what I think is new) the thing that is significant about the number 41 is that there are exactly 41 prepositions that ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS to that rule.

So the question, for me, now is, "Do these 'non-exempt' prepositions have a name?"

And that's the angle I'm going at it from.

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Darketnal
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temporal preposition or locative prepostions seem likely.

Also, a search turned up intransitivie, transitive, or ditransitive.
More kinds of prepositions - lexical or functional.



Boy, do english majors like to subdivide things.


Though, neither temporary_postion, nor lucrative_proposition worked.
Neither did in_transit or transfer_proposal.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:45 pm
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AngriBuddhist
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Question:

Since we are missing a whole "Rani" chapter, are we looking for one .wav
in this or like eight?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 am
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darkmoonz
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we're assuming just one... we got a buch of the others already...

Fireflies wiki

PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:25 am
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Wizarbo
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yah, there should be only 1 audio file left because all other clues have been used to find the other files. I would have to agree that proposition is part of it. It's that or intuition because it sounds like they just got attacked and maybe Rani used her 'intuition' to dodge the attack? But afterwords in a nother audio file she is on the train and says something about womens intuition. It is probable that it would come up again shortly after her saying it before. like when jersey reflects how for a quality experience the girls have to be real...
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Well now it's Friday, and we haven't solved it. I wonder if SP is going to put up a new puzzle in those images or leave the old puzzles there.

Curiouser and curiouser...

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Ranger D
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I'm not expecting any favors from the PMs. None. I use the axons as proof. Up until this week, there was only one axon that was labeled "CANCELED-AXON ERROR". It was from the links.html page and was located in San Francisco. I was there for 3 (4?) days in a row, we had like 10 people show up for it, covered just as many phones in that area and there was no call. It didn't go hot either, but it didn't matter then; the audio file was activated.
Now we have odd_duck and labrynth labeled as "CANCELLED". They could've moved the GPS coords (in fact I think they did for a couple?), but the didn't. They deactivated them. Now I think we won't hear them until this is over in a month.

The PMs are expecting a lot out of us, and I think the most we will get is one more vague hint. Remember, this is supposed to be hard. If it was easy, it would be no fun. Wink
Let's keep on truckin' guys, we can do this. Very Happy
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mann alive
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i'm guessing we'll get new puzzles if any were planned. PMs know we have the info.

how many people-hours have gone into "sounds like '41 prepositions?'"

so either this is a damn tricky puzzle, we are missing the obvious, or it is just a weakly thought out puzzle in the midst of some rather amazing ones. maybe this was supposed to be a gimme in the PMs' minds. "oh, they'll see this means portly_nun_propositions.wav and go on to the next puzzle."

it's been nice to have a puzzle left over to finally get to make some stabs at, but i can't unlock this bastard.

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SpghEddy
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things that still bug me:

why 41 prepositions? the list could have been a lot shorter. And yet, it is still not complete.

why not in alphabetical order? are they random? or is there intentional order?

still, i doubt each word would reveal a letter as a code... a 41 character sound file name sounds too long

do the lines really mean anything? or just visual clue to help us connect the two?

"sounds like" is annoying, because it's hard enough to solve a puzzle like that even when someone *does* give you the message to rhyme. *sigh* I've never been that good at SNICKERCLISH TESTGUMS.

and does having "between" right in the middle mean anything? or was that just random?

seems like there are too many coincidental features about these clues to be coincidental, and yet we haven't come up with a strategy that uses all of them.

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mann alive wrote:
so either this is a damn tricky puzzle, we are missing the obvious, or it is just a weakly thought out puzzle in the midst of some rather amazing ones.


Or we're missing another clue or part of the puzzle. Is it possible that because the corrupted images appear so infrequently, there's one that we just didn't get the clue for?

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Howdareyou
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Hornet wrote:
i can't come up with anything, so i've been given it to my coworkers...as i was holding the sheet, i saw somethin...probably nothing but...to me it kinda looked like a sound...


Now I'm not entirely sure how one would put together a sound file based around the heights of bars like that, but if it somehow works, I'm sure we'll all be kicking ourselves... Very Happy

Speaking of which, how would one go about doing such a thing? (purely out of interest, not some absurd need to prove myself)
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SpghEddy
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you could record yourself reading the prepositions in order, and then play it backwards! Mr. Green

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Jalben
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Hiyo,
I read through the last 20 pages or so of posts to see if there was anything there that was overlooked and to see if any progress was being made, and then I checked the list of words tried by a bot that was posted some pages ago and I saw a single entry for four_to_one something. Now that one is probably the best sounds like fourty one to me, but I haven't really seen it much in this thread. So I thought the rest of the wavs in the Rani thread are of a military nature, I thought of a fight out numbered 4 to 1, and then we have preposition, which could be pre-position. If it's a fight that you have superior numbers and are pre positioned, it's an Ambush. So with this thought in mind I tried transmit.ilovebees.com/outbound/four_to_one.wav, four_to_one_ambush, four_to_one_preposition, four_to_one_pre_position, all to no avail.

Just tossing it out there to see if it fires anyone elses axons Wink

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AngriBuddhist
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I just dropped this puzzle into a crossword forum based out of Austalia.
I hope those blokes can come up with something.

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Scott
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We've gotta be making this harder than it needs to be. In fFifty-some pages, we've managed to liken a random series of words to almost anything, fFrom musical notes, to deep mathematical truths.

I'm thinking it's gotta be a lot more conventional than that.

Let's start here:

Quote:
----------
SOUNDS LIKE
----------


That is words, between 2 lines. So read between the lines. Next we have this set:

Quote:
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UNDERNEATH
WITHOUT
OVER
BEHIND
AGAINST
INTO
AT
ASIDE
INSIDE
IN
BELOW
ABOVE
BENEATH
BESIDE
AFTER
UNDER
AROUND
ONTO
ACROSS
BY
BETWEEN
AMONG
TOWARD
THROUGH
ALONG
OUTSIDE
ON
PAST
OFF
OPPOSITE
WITHIN
FROM
ABOUT
WITH
AMID
TO
BEFORE
ROUND
THROUGHOUT
NEAR
BEYOND
----------


let's see that again, trimmed to the fFirst, last, and middle:

Quote:
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UNDERNEATH
.
.
BY
BETWEEN
AMONG
.
.
BEYOND
----------


catch that? the word BETWEEN, fFlanked by 20 words on one side, and 20 words on the other.

Read between the lines.

(no, between_the_lines.wav doesnt work, and i'm sure i'm not the fFirst person to think it might)

I believe the exact words are not important, nor exactly how many.. except fFor "BETWEEN" being exactly in the middle of em.

I'm also surprised no-one has talked much about the lines. You know, the dashes at top and bottom of both sections. Someone mentioned it was a way of demarcating 2 clues to a difficult puzzle. and while i guess it has that effect, i'm thinking it's a little more important than that. I believe we should be thinking in terms of something sounding like something between something else.

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