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[SOLVESOLVESOLVE]Oct 8th PREPOSITION PUZZLE:usernameguy
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DeceptaconS
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
the lines are made up of 10 dashes, the only words with 10 letters are underneath and throughout (ok, now that we have the trout out of the way)
thoughout sounds like 'threw out' but underneath has no such sound alike phrase... still, it might be something


I don't know about that one Jedi..... That is too simple. And you still come up with nothing.

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WORD GROUPS
by Ross Eckler
Word Ways, 1977



Some words, like DEIFIED, have patterns that immediately attract the eye; others, like SCINTILLESCENT, possess more subtle charms (each letter appears exactly twice). In recent years, logologists have discovered a number of remarkable word groups; even though the individual words are quite ordinary, taken together they exhibit unsuspected symmetries of various types. To show what is possible, the letters of seven three-letter words in the column at the left have been rearranged in a square array:

ADO............A...D......O
ORE......................E..O.....R
BAR............A.B................R
BOY...............B.........O............Y
YEA............A.........E................Y
BED...............B.D..E
DRY..................D.............R.....Y
Each word is an isogram; that is, it contains no repeated letters. Collectively, the seven words consist of a total of seven letters, each used three times. Further perusal of the array reveals that any word has exactly one letter in common with any other word--for example, ADO shares and A with BAR and YEA, a D with BED and DRY, and an O with ORE and BOY. Another property of the array is a bit more subtle. There are a total of 21 different ways one can pick two letters out of the set ABDEORY: ab,ad,ae,ao,ar,ay,bd,be,bo,br,by,de,do,dr,dy,eo,er,ey,or,oy,ry. Each of these pairs occurs in exactly one word--ab in BAR, ad in ADO, ae in YEA, and so on to ry in DRY.

This pattern was first exhibited by Ronald C. Read in "Soup, Fish and Finite Geometries" in the February 1963 issue of Recreational Mathematics Magazine, and later appeared in Dmitri Borgmann's Beyond Language (Scribner's, 1967) as Problem 122.


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 		That electronica posted above was nifty Smile I slowed it down 10% but still no recognition.

Cypher thoughts, if the order is relevant
middle of all odd-length words: HIILOETDWOOOSFOU
first letters: UWOBAIAAIIBABBAUAOABBATTAOOPOOWFAWATBRTNB
last letters: HTRDTOTEENWEHERRDOSYNGDHGENTFENMTHDOEDTRD

Prepositions: If this is a fill-in-the-blanks puzzle, I looked for other 10-letter single-word prepositions. On the "common" list, ignoring "underneath" and "throughout" (which we have), I found "concerning", "respecting", and "overthwart" (?!).

It's a cheap rhyme to say "concerning" sounds like "respecting" due to the -ing, so I wasn't shocked when it wasn't a winner.
concerning_respecting, respecting_concerning, respect_your_concern
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drizjr
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 		Just a few thoughts...
tune sounds like tuna
parts of speech sounds like Spartan's Reach
Neither work.
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is converting the list to Morse code: perhaps using first letter consonants and vowels, as dashes and dots? I thought maybe the dashed line in the clues, and the "sounds like" might hint to Morse.
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 		i've tried grouping the directions together, so 'above' and 'over' would have the same value, and 'in' and 'inside' would have another... haven't gotten anywhere though

i just can't believe that there's only 2 clues for this puzzle though, maybe we missed one
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 		CoffeeJedi says:
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i just can't believe that there's only 2 clues for this puzzle though, maybe we missed one



I have a really REALLY stupid question... Has anybody checked to make sure we didn't?
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Monkeyboy wrote:

CoffeeJedi wrote:
i just can't believe that there's only 2 clues for this puzzle though, maybe we missed one



I have a really REALLY stupid question... Has anybody checked to make sure we didn't?


I haven't... and if nobody has, we don't have long before the images start to change.

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Monkeyboy wrote:

CoffeeJedi wrote:
i just can't believe that there's only 2 clues for this puzzle though, maybe we missed one



I have a really REALLY stupid question... Has anybody checked to make sure we didn't?


Okay... to answer my own question...it looks like we did get them all... So much for an easy "D'OH!" style answer
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 		Did ya'll give up on analyist? really liked that one. I still think the first word in the clue is the kind of analyist she will be for Herzog. As I mentioned much earlier what is usually between the lines is space. Ace_analyist didn't work but then I'm not very good at 'sounds likes'
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Sleeping Princess wrote:
And now, because whoever said "flattery will get you nowhere" was a dummy-head, I am going to give you an Official Hint about You Know What, so you don't have to be under and over and beside yourselves anymore.

So, riddle me this: what was my least favorite person, before she became a Queen?

"the operator"? well, now what?
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Clarence_Worley
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
Sleeping Princess wrote:
And now, because whoever said "flattery will get you nowhere" was a dummy-head, I am going to give you an Official Hint about You Know What, so you don't have to be under and over and beside yourselves anymore.

So, riddle me this: what was my least favorite person, before she became a Queen?

"the operator"? well, now what?


Well, "Melissa" sounds like "a list of", but melissa_propositions, and all the variants thereof that I could think of didn't pan out.

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 		artificial_intelligence?
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
Sleeping Princess wrote:
And now, because whoever said "flattery will get you nowhere" was a dummy-head, I am going to give you an Official Hint about You Know What, so you don't have to be under and over and beside yourselves anymore.

So, riddle me this: what was my least favorite person, before she became a Queen?

"the operator"? well, now what?


Does this mean the telephone path was the right one?

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 		I think the clue refers to the word" Op" from Operator.

So it's not "proposition" but "opposition".

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 		i thought of that the other day, but

four_to_one_opposition didn't yield anything
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