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[SPEC] New Mombasa, the 'Tire' artifact, and Halo 2
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archon
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finite wrote:

Exactly, that's why MC is trying to keep the covenent cruiser gounded in the SP demo of Halo. Because if the covenent can retreat with the artifact, then they will just glass earth.


That's some pretty good speculation. Maybe the Covenant are too afraid of just jumping into Slipspace from inside Earth's atmosphere due to the effect the Reach artifact had on the space around it? Maybe they were too damaged to jump? In any case, good catch!

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AlCaponeXB
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Meridianchild wrote:
One of the phone conversations hints that the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso...

The one thing I don't quite understand is if the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso, then how did that artifact get to New Mombasa?

Furthermore, lets say that that is where the Apocalypso crashed...how did melissa get to a website on a server in Napa Valley???

Someone else on the boards mentioned the possibility of the artifact having time bending capabilities...if that is the case, and the apocalypso crashed in our time, then technichly the artifact doesn't exist in the Halo 2 time anymore....

New Mombasa is a protectorate. Perhaps protecting the artifact, as the city itself is battle ready/hardened, and prepared to handle ground assaults, air assaults, and whatnot.

Beginning quotes of E3 2003 SP demo, "New Mombasa, East-African Protectorate"

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This is a very interesting theory, but there are several fundamental assumptions being made here.

1. The Covenant knows of the artifact's existence.
2. The Covenant seeks to acquire the artifact.
3. The artifact is indeed on Earth, in New Mombasa.
4. The Covenant know that the artifact is on Earth, in New Mombasa.
5. New Mombasa was the first location to be invaded by Covenant ground forces.

That last one might have been suggested in an official source, but I haven't seen it myself. While intriguing, I'm not sure that it would be the smartest tactical decision. If true, such a decision would enable Earth's ground forces to concentrate on New Mombasa.. Surely those Covies would have sent infantry all over the place, to engage and scatter Earth's ground forces and hold their attention while another unit quietly slips into New Mombasa to retrieve the artifact.

Then again, they have been known to make mistakes.

Nevertheless, I think you might be on to something here. We'll have to keep listening to those recipe3 wavs carefully... if only "labyrinth" and "odd duck" were moved...

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Two different Forerunner artifacts?

Something not being considered is that the Covenant is coming to Earth for an artifact that has been there for aeons, while the Apocolypso found something else.

It's vaguely tire shaped, has Forerunner symbols engraved on it, and can maybe control comm nets and kick AIs around. Was Halo "deep in Covenant space"? Because it sounds like it could be 343 Guilty Spark hitching a ride to Earth.

Remember, it could tap into the computer systems on Pillar of Autumn, and Cortana, who already knew about it, couldn't entirely prevent it. It also said it could purge Cortana from the Halo core, but only didn't because she had the Index, which would have been destroyed with her.

Couldn't 343 Guilty Spark do something like disrupt Earth's comm nets briefly and tear apart an AI if the AI didn't know what it was dealing with? Maybe it started talking to ONI as soon as they got it alone. THAT'S the secret.

But it's not why the Covenant is coming to Earth.

Someone try dropping the name 343 Guilty Spark to the SP or Melissa and see what happens.[/i]

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Big problem with the Monitor-hitching-a-ride theory... in no way, shape, or form does 343 Guilty Spark resemble a truck tire. Sparky resembles a glowing cue ball in a round-edged-cubical frame more than a truck tire.

I'm still withholding judgement on what the Artifact is until we get more info... we just don't know enough to make anything but wild guesses.

-- Steve's starting to gnaw on the wallpaper, though, with the strain from the uncertainty.
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[humor]

or maybe.. The Artifact Is a tire..
The plot thickens..

[/humor]
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Heh heh heh... so we've done the equivalent of catching an old boot with our fishing line?

-- Steve recently had the plot of The Gods Must Be Crazy described to him. Are we seeing something similar? Very Happy
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Anton, I don't agree. Sure, "truck tire" isn't the best way to describe it, but look at the large back shot in your link. Now power it down. Sure, you've got some junk in the middle, but also a pair of "rims." If you're comparing a human object to an alien object, there's quite possibly a lot of metaphor being used.

Plus, Bungie wouldn't want to make it too obvious with a more clear description.

So yes, you do have to interpret "tire" pretty generously, but everything else fits. The artifact did something that 343 Guilty Spark might be capable of. And hey, he has to get to Earth somehow. I'd be surprised if he doesn't show up in the game at all.

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slitheryd wrote:
Anton, I don't agree. Sure, "truck tire" isn't the best way to describe it, but look at the large back shot in your link. Now power it down. Sure, you've got some junk in the middle, but also a pair of "rims." If you're comparing a human object to an alien object, there's quite possibly a lot of metaphor being used.

Plus, Bungie wouldn't want to make it too obvious with a more clear description.

So yes, you do have to interpret "tire" pretty generously, but everything else fits. The artifact did something that 343 Guilty Spark might be capable of. And hey, he has to get to Earth somehow. I'd be surprised if he doesn't show up in the game at all.

That would explain how 343GS got to Earth and was helping the medics in New Mombasa. http://www.bungie.net/images/games/halo2/audio/outtakes/misc/monitor_e3_outtake.mp3
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I'd say 343GS was a Magic * Ball in the shape of a standard D6 dice.

This whole... tyre thing makes me think of Stargate. Anyone else? It could be a Forerunner Halo control panel... after all, the Halo was "shaped like a tyre", too (anything cicular is, really).
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slitheryd wrote:
So yes, you do have to interpret "tire" pretty generously, but everything else fits. The artifact did something that 343 Guilty Spark might be capable of. And hey, he has to get to Earth somehow. I'd be surprised if he doesn't show up in the game at all.

Melissa in her Monologue wrote:
It was adrift in space: a squat cylinder of dull gray metal, // about the size of a suitcase.

[snipped by me...]

OK, cameras deployed and scanning every square centimeter, damn it. The thing was covered in geometric shapes, not embossed but expressed somehow in the grain of the metal.// Bars and triangles, dots, ordered but non-repeating patterns. A message, yes, //running around the rim like the tread on a tire. I thought: whatever that's telling us, it's something we want to know. Extremely hazardous. Safety glasses required. If found, please return to sender.

Set in the center of the top face was a square, a suggestion of seam no bigger than the palm of a hand. I imagined it sinking back and sliding to one side, a Japanese door offering access to whatever was in there. Or not. Or blowing up if you tried it.

Boldface is mine... my source was here.

It's awful tough to get a description of Sparky from the bold-faced text. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

-- Steve thinks it's far too much of a stretch. Maybe if more evidence comes up, but not with what we've got.
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Melissa's monologue wrote:
running around the rim like the tread on a tire.



.. so we've been saying it's tire-like because it had a message running around the rim of it like the tread on a tire? It's never actually directly said the object was tire shaped - and as far as I remember, you didn't get close enough to GS343 to accurately tell if there wasn't some sort of Forerunner symbols running around his two "rims".

I agree it's still a stretch, but I don't think it's as far as some people are making out.
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Actually GabrielBlade, you can get quite a close look at 343GS in the Engineering room where you have to blow the shielding on the reactor core.several times he accesses databanks on the ground level in the engineering room providing ample opportunity to view his sturcture for symbols. I can check again but I have seen it several times and nothnig stands out.
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Hrmm, just played through it now. You're right...


.. however, having said that.. who knows? The plasma sword doesn't look the same in Halo2 as it did in Halo, does it? Nor does the Assault/Battle rifle.. things change. I guess we won't know for sure until later.. *shrugs*


[Edit:]And OMFG, I'd forgotten how much I *HATE* that arrogant, annoying little prick. God he gets on my nerves!!! AAAAAGH.. *head explodes*


-Gabriel signing off, and heading to try and put his head back together piece by piece....
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GabrielBlade wrote:
Melissa's monologue wrote:
running around the rim like the tread on a tire.



.. so we've been saying it's tire-like because it had a message running around the rim of it like the tread on a tire? It's never actually directly said the object was tire shaped...

Actually, it was compared to a tire a second time, by Herzog.
In transcribing the artifact Wav, TheBruce wrote:
Herzog: Shortly before they turned for home, the Apocalypso, heavily cloaked and posted deep in Covenant space, began experiencing some slight but troubling anomalies with their computer systems. Just as her captain decided to bring her home, long range sensors detected a curious object adrift in space.
Lieutenant: Where did you get this? I read the reports - none of this is in here.
Herzog: The object was roughly the size of a tire. A Covenant artifact of a completely new design unlike anything we've seen before, and frankly pretty inscrutible.

(Emphasis mine.) Granted, this doesn't say it was in the shape of a tire, but if it weren't, would "tire" have been the first thing thought of to compare it with?
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