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beauberen
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 		another interesting page - Lewis Carroll's Logic Cubes
http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/2001/carroll/1-intro.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:15 am
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Wow....think we may be onto something with that!!
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beauberen
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 		more info on Carroll's Logic Cube spec...
Here is further info from the source above on Carroll's Logic Cubes...

http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/2001/carroll/2-problems.htm

http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/2001/carroll/3-pieces.htm

and this picture from the first link...note the "Illusion" cube configuration.



It appears to have Sente's Academy Logo in it. This combined with Carroll's syszygy puzzles makes for some interesting spec.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:43 pm
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colin
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 		Re: more info on Carroll's Logic Cube spec...
beauberen wrote:
It appears to have Sente's Academy Logo in it. This combined with Carroll's syszygy puzzles makes for some interesting spec.

It does?

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Black Cat
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 		Re: more info on Carroll's Logic Cube spec...
colin wrote:
It does?


Yeh, if you look at the 4 squares int he middle, its the logo
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 		Yea, its definetly in there.
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 		You know, more along this line of cubes. I did a google search for the Lewis Carroll cubes, and found that the original creator of the Rubix cube got his idea from the logic subes of Carroll, which makes sense as Rubix cubes are only 40 years old at best.

Anyways, I noticed that the concept of the Syzygy and the concept of the Rubix cube are one in the same--everything has to be aligned.

Just speculation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:27 am
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 		Skyline
Hi everyone,

One of the remaining unsolved puzzles in PS has captured my imagination, namely the skyline on indexB.html that I don't think anyone has identified.

I live near London, and am fairly sure the skyline is of somewhere in the city, so I started to ask around about what part of London it could be. Upon hearing the suggestion that it could be the Barbican, I Google image searched for pictures of the Barbican and found this:

http://www.origin360.com/travel/london_18.html

As you can see, the 11th floor of the tower block building in the foreground has railings on an angular concrete balcony, and it looks like just the sort of place the PS picture could have been taken from.

Feeling it my duty to do the leg work on this one, I went into London today and attempted to locate the view in the travel picture. Unfortunately the Barbican covers quite a large area, but with a bit of effort I did locate the building in the Origin360 page.

It turns out to be the Barbican YMCA, on Fann Street. The Multimap address is here:

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=51.5213&lon=-0.0969&scale=5000&icon=x

which also contains the latitude and longtitude.

I did enter the building and ask if I was allowed to go to the 11th floor, but apparently it is a private flat and not open to the public. Moreover, looking outside, I could not find any buildings or skyline which match that in the PS picture.

I should point out, though, that the high vantage point in the Origin360 picture compared to the actual view I could get from ground level, gave me a strong sense of how different things can look from up at a height. I therefore cannot rule out this building being the one in PS.

Failing that, has anyone seen any other YMCA tower blocks in London?

One other thing, the buildings and streets around the Barbican are named after famous writers. I did not see Lewis Carroll mentioned, but I was not especially looking for that name.

I hope other people have better luck than I had.

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WaCKo1138
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Quote:
The next bit is pure spec (as if the rest wasn't Laughing ) but if the S. Marchant quote (I had thought... etc) dated 148 AC is equivalent to our year 2004, then 0 AC is 1856, the year Carroll took up his post at Christ Church College Oxford.


Don't know if it's relevant, but if the above date correlations are correct, then the quote at the beginning of Sente's letter:

"Keep that which you value close; better to be vigilant than to rely upon the kindness of strangers" --Unknown, Perplex City, 179 BC

works out to 1677. A quick lookup at wikipedia doesn't reveal anything that looks relevant to my eyes, but it is getting late. Spinoza died that year, as did English mathematician Isaac Barrow.

(Man, I stop checking the site for a bit and suddenly it all explodes until I come back)

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ustice
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 		Small point. There is no 0 BC/AD though... Therefore 176 BC (Sente) would equal 1678 AD. Once again though, noting in Wiki...

Granted, the BC/AC year system may have a zero year.

We are also assuming that BC comes before AC. Maybe it is just something like Alexandrian Callendar and then later the Bonavine Callendar.

Who know.

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karniv0re
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 		Sandbox
I'm a few days behind, so I've been reading through this thread to make sure this wasn't mentioned. In the letter that starts with

Quote:
From: Sandbox Mail Transport Daemon (build 19650602)
To: xxxxxxxx
Date: xxxxxxxx
Subject: Message Undelivered: Project Syzygy Completed


Notice the Sandbox. The first thing that pops into my head is the tech term sandbox, which is basically an emulation of an environment, or a "jail" where you can practice stuff and not get yourself in trouble by, say, rm -rf'ing something. For instance, Antivirus companies typically test viruses in a virtual machine sandbox running Windows on top of Linux. Wikipedia lists some of the various contexts in which it may appear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox. Could the "Sandbox" be a safe haven of some sort?

Also, have we determined that http://www.perplexity.net is out of game? There's another image on there http://www.perplexity.net/images/heybuddy.jpg which I can't see being in game, but who knows.

One last thing: Has anyone considered the number of cubes on the letterhead/seal? If the cubes are stacked up against a wall, then I count 6 visible cubes, or a total of 10 including the hidden ones. I don't know if the number of cubes has anything to do with anything, but the cubes themselves are definitely significant.

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Nik_Doof
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 		Re: Sandbox
karniv0re wrote:
I'm a few days behind, so I've been reading through this thread to make sure this wasn't mentioned. In the letter that starts with

Quote:
From: Sandbox Mail Transport Daemon (build 19650602)
To: xxxxxxxx
Date: xxxxxxxx
Subject: Message Undelivered: Project Syzygy Completed


Notice the Sandbox. The first thing that pops into my head is the tech term sandbox, which is basically an emulation of an environment, or a "jail" where you can practice stuff and not get yourself in trouble by, say, rm -rf'ing something. For instance, Antivirus companies typically test viruses in a virtual machine sandbox running Windows on top of Linux. Wikipedia lists some of the various contexts in which it may appear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox. Could the "Sandbox" be a safe haven of some sort?


While the sandbox refence is interesting, i think its just more an attempt to make the email look authentic, instead of the email traversing the internet as a usual mail, it goes via a "sandbox" or internal system, which may very well be if theres a link between this world and the world of perplex city, why would a computer system in a alternitive world be put on the internet here Smile

Quote:
This is the mailer daemon at incoming.sandbox.academy.


so sandbox.academy is like a test system...

woah hold up, test equipment? test system? a email server for incoming emails for the test system? a wild spec of myself points to Tanner kicking at Covington for not shutting down the test equipment, aka link to our world at night, maybe in the fear of someone in this world finding this link?

</wildspec>
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 		Not quite sure what to make of this, so i thought i'd share.
I 've just received an e-mail titled 'welcome: serve you to the best' and the sender was someone called 'Eusebio Barnhill'.
Although initially it appeared to be another prescription drugs spam e-mail, scrolling down the page i found this text (from the Wizard of Oz)

itikan 12 kmmeneeseen 53kydn kipakkuudessaanjrvenptalo
The seat was amply wide enough for the little man and the two children,
and
when Jim started to leave the hall the kitten jumped upon his back and
sat
there quite contentedlyWith a cry of alarm he ran after it, and after
much
search found it lying against the bulwark near the edge of a scupper
hole,
where the least jar of the ship would have sent it to the bottom of the
ocean


It's probably nothing, but since i'm new to all this i thought it might worth mentioning. Embarassed

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am520dj
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mafalda_quino wrote:
Not quite sure what to make of this, so i thought i'd share.
I 've just received an e-mail titled 'welcome: serve you to the best' and the sender was someone called 'Eusebio Barnhill'.
Although initially it appeared to be another prescription drugs spam e-mail, scrolling down the page i found this text (from the Wizard of Oz)

itikan 12 kmmeneeseen 53kydn kipakkuudessaanjrvenptalo
The seat was amply wide enough for the little man and the two children,
and
when Jim started to leave the hall the kitten jumped upon his back and
sat
there quite contentedlyWith a cry of alarm he ran after it, and after
much
search found it lying against the bulwark near the edge of a scupper
hole,
where the least jar of the ship would have sent it to the bottom of the
ocean


It's probably nothing, but since i'm new to all this i thought it might worth mentioning. Embarassed


what was the email address of the person who sent you this?
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Stormalong
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 		Its just spam. They've taken to inserting random non-spam text into spam messages in an effort to short-circuit anti-spam filters. For the most part I've found it doesn't work.
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