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[SPEC] Monster Ann = Gladys
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Arana
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Smoke wrote:
He didn't even have *guns*!


That's the rub Smoke. He didn't even have guns!

This is a guy who pulls a gun instantly when his daughter notices an ice cream store. This is a guy who shoots someone in his backyard who he thinks is after his daughter without a second thought. Paranoid and continually armed! But going into a kidnap situation with known gangsters who have his DAUGHTER he comes in without a gun? Gimme a break!

We saw what other "past their prime" 1.0s could do in the current .wavs. McKaskill was amazed that he could drive on manual (now we know that cars there go at 350 kph, I am also impressed). He had four seconds between landing from the dropped floor and the firing of the first net. Thin and his buddy should have each been shot ten times in that interval. All the new evidence supports your "he was just old an slow" theory, but it still bothers me. I just don't buy it.

However Monster Ann = Gladys is NOT the explanation, that spec is dead.
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kingchaos2
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Arana wrote:
Smoke wrote:
He didn't even have *guns*!


That's the rub Smoke. He didn't even have guns!

This is a guy who pulls a gun instantly when his daughter notices an ice cream store. This is a guy who shoots someone in his backyard who he thinks is after his daughter without a second thought. Paranoid and continually armed! But going into a kidnap situation with known gangsters who have his DAUGHTER he comes in without a gun? Gimme a break!

We saw what other "past their prime" 1.0s could do in the current .wavs. McKaskill was amazed that he could drive on manual (now we know that cars there go at 350 kph, I am also impressed). He had four seconds between landing from the dropped floor and the firing of the first net. Thin and his buddy should have each been shot ten times in that interval. All the new evidence supports your "he was just old an slow" theory, but it still bothers me. I just don't buy it.


This is true. And this leads me to believe that someone equal to his power threatened his daughters life if he had any weapons on him. Maybe an evil SPARTAN? If so, then we only know of Gilly and Gladys, but we can't forget that there were other crew members he mentioned.

I have a question...how do we even know Monster Ann is human? Could she be...an AI? Maybe a rampant AI? Or is she DEFINITELY human?

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the sound clip from this week more than confirms for me that she all too real. I think it odd that the story made a point of revealing there are others like Jan, though (1.1's) for it to go nowhere. I fully expect this to turn up again and could possibly play into this. If it does, we can surely move to that thread. Bet lots of folks may be wondering why THIS thread is getting so many posts today for a theory that is now dead. Cool
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Smoke wrote:
Sorry if this is a little rant-ish, but the wild SPEC ya'll can generate and then latch onto can get a bit.....irritating.


If it irritates you so greatly, I would suggest that you avoid threads clearly labeled [SPEC] in the future.
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Well, sorry to dredge up a dead thread, but it seemed the best place to post my thoughts.

While it seems obvious that Monster Anne isn't Gladys, something certainly doesn't fit there. That's what I was trying to get at.

The story is just a bit too open ended. Why did J^2 get taken out so easily? I guess that's what most of us are trying to figure out. Having Gladys be the reason why he was neutralized previously fit well.

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kingchaos2
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I'm going to have to partly agree with the guy who said it was "irritating". I listened to "Bigger Dog" again on the humptydumpty page. James was tied up as soon as he fell to the basement. Although he was able to almost tear completely through the netting, it was too late for him to do anything because Bradley (or Thin...whoever) came over and started beating on him. I don't think there is anything shady behind the characters we already know of now. I just think that this was a failed rescue attempt. Had James not been tied up, he probably would have succeeded in beating the mess out of Thin and his partners (just as he did to one of the guys watching the entrance). They knew what James was capable of so they set up everything from the collapsible floor to automatic nets. James only plan was to rush in, kill, get Jan, get out.

With the new wav files we see Jan, Gladys, and Jilly all ready for an all-out war against these guys. So now the good guys have a hand up, whereas they didn't know what they were up against before.

Now the whole mystery with this is who is Monster Ann and why did she want James dead? It's clear to me that she is a brand-new character (or a cameo appearance from one of Marge Simpson's twin sisters Razz ).

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Phaedra, I appreciate your advice, but do understand I'm not against SPEC in the slightest. I've just become a bit irritated at so massive a leap of faith with so little evidence to support it is being discussed as legitimate. I've seen many other threads of equally unlikely SPEC die after a few posts. It's kind of mind boggling that this particular idea took off so strongly.

Arana, you do raise some interesting points. However, the fact remains that he did not come armed in the slightest. There are numerous reasons for this; an issue of time or location. Remember that Gilly had been stockpiling for a considerable amount of time before the raid happened. Jim has only ever been observed using an M6 handgun. It's possible that Thin's goons informed him in a location where he could not gain access to a suitable weapon.

I guess my confusion can best be posed as a counter-question: In what way would a SPARTAN contribute to the neutralization subject to James James that is outside a non-SPARTAN's abilities? What, outside of how awesome a plot twist it would be, sparked the idea that *only* a SPARTAN could take down James?
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Smoke wrote:
SPARTANs get their terrifying invulnerabilty from their armor. Otherwise, they're just as soft and squishy as the rest of us.


Ummm, actually no. The body armor makes it possible for them to survive a free fall from low orbit, but they also have greatly increased bone and muscle density. There is no doubt in my mind that a SPARTAN II could take a pistol round in the chest and ignore it. Three shots in the head is another matter, but one of the II's wouldn't have been caught like that.

I'm still of the opinion that J^2 had backup that didn't arrive for some reason. Maybe they cought the bus flu or something.

I would also love to know how Jan was kidnapped, and whether she was the target or James was.

Could it be some disillusioned 1.1 that was behind it? Pulling Thin's and Monster Ann's strings? Maybe Jim got one of the other 1.0's killed. Or maybe even got one of them pregnant but didn't stick around (or didn't know, I can't see him running out on a pregnant woman) and hte kid wanted revenge.

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Monster Ann is a flash clone of Gladys who, through cognitive manipulation, has been been given the memories of a covenant prophet. She wanted JJ dead because he reminded the covenant dormant personality too much of what john 117 did to the that holiest of space rings. Razz Razz Razz Razz
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Smoke wrote:
I guess my confusion can best be posed as a counter-question: In what way would a SPARTAN contribute to the neutralization subject to James James that is outside a non-SPARTAN's abilities? What, outside of how awesome a plot twist it would be, sparked the idea that *only* a SPARTAN could take down James?


I guess the SPEC that only another SPARTAN could have done it is based on the fact that he went down without much struggle. Thin seemed to know he was coming, know what he was capable of, and prepared for him perfectly.

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daboking wrote:
Monster Ann is a flash clone of Gladys who, through cognitive manipulation, has been been given the memories of a covenant prophet. She wanted JJ dead because he reminded the covenant dormant personality too much of what john 117 did to the that holiest of space rings. Razz Razz Razz Razz


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Ummm, actually no. The body armor makes it possible for them to survive a free fall from low orbit, but they also have greatly increased bone and muscle density. There is no doubt in my mind that a SPARTAN II could take a pistol round in the chest and ignore it. Three shots in the head is another matter, but one of the II's wouldn't have been caught like that.


James. Is. A. SPARTAN. One. They are lesser in every way to a SPARTAN II. SPARTAN IIs are to SPARTAN Is as SPARTAN Is are to a trainned soldier. It is a tribute to James' weakness that he got into the position he was in when he died.


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I'm still of the opinion that J^2 had backup that didn't arrive for some reason. Maybe they cought the bus flu or something.


Highly doubtful. But since I have no evidence to back up my claims, as you don't for yours, this is a moot point.

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I would also love to know how Jan was kidnapped, and whether she was the target or James was.


Jan was the target, ultimately. Thin, for whatever twisted reason, wanted Jan humilated and broken. Torturing her and then killing her father in front of her would be a pretty easy way of doing this.

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Could it be some disillusioned 1.1 that was behind it? Pulling Thin's and Monster Ann's strings? Maybe Jim got one of the other 1.0's killed. Or maybe even got one of them pregnant but didn't stick around (or didn't know, I can't see him running out on a pregnant woman) and hte kid wanted revenge.


Thin wanted to teach Jan a lesson for humiliating him on his own turf. From what we've heard so far, Ann doesn't seem to have much say in Thin's personal affairs, so I can't really see her ordering a hit.
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Centipede wrote:

I guess the SPEC that only another SPARTAN could have done it is based on the fact that he went down without much struggle. Thin seemed to know he was coming, know what he was capable of, and prepared for him perfectly.


But there was nothing SPARTAN-flavored about Jim's death in the slightest. No SPARTAN zipped up with awesome SPARTAN SPEED MODE ALPHA and slapped a Mauve Kryptonite shard of Reach (the only known way to reduce a mighty SPARTAN to a mere mortal man) onto Jim's back, cackling madly.

Thin knew James was ex-military. One can easily surmise that if one has been in the military, and has retired, that one has *survived* combat. This particular time of the Haloverse has seen considerable action/preperation thereof. Thus, Thin could easily deduce that James knew a thing or two about how to get into the heart of a thug-controlled warehouse either undetected or unapposed. Lay a few traps, equip your thugs with net launchers, and you've caught just about anyone who can get to you.

As for Thin having intimate knowledge of Jim's SPARTAN-born abilities, why do you think he and his men do a double take when Jim tears through the bucknet? Had they have been informed as you claim, such an act wouldn't seem so impossible.
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Smoke wrote:
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Ummm, actually no. The body armor makes it possible for them to survive a free fall from low orbit, but they also have greatly increased bone and muscle density. There is no doubt in my mind that a SPARTAN II could take a pistol round in the chest and ignore it. Three shots in the head is another matter, but one of the II's wouldn't have been caught like that.


James. Is. A. SPARTAN. One. They are lesser in every way to a SPARTAN II. SPARTAN IIs are to SPARTAN Is as SPARTAN Is are to a trainned soldier. It is a tribute to James' weakness that he got into the position he was in when he died.


The Mjolnir armor didn't exist for hte 1.0's. So I assumed you were talking about hte invulnerability of the SPARTAN II's. There is nothing to suggest that the 1.0's had armor anywhere near what the Mjonir is.

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Centipede wrote:
The Mjolnir armor didn't exist for hte 1.0's. So I assumed you were talking about hte invulnerability of the SPARTAN II's. There is nothing to suggest that the 1.0's had armor anywhere near what the Mjonir is.


Very true. And, yes, I was talking about the invulerability of the SPARTAN IIs. My point was the fact that the SPARTAN IIs are better than the SPARTAN Is in every way, inside or out of the armor.

Our biggest exposure to SPARTANS have been the II series and their exploits, chief (heh) among them being John 117. It's my opinion that their utterly amazing capabilities have colored our perceptions of what James should have been able to do.
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