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Seej
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Mikeyj wrote:
.....the red liquid you get in modern thermometers.....
Thought that was just ethanol with some dye in it, which they use because:
a)it's cheap
b)it's not as nasty to handle
c)it's got a lower freezing point (for example, Antarctica can get cold enough to freeze mercury so they use the thermometers with the red liquid instead).
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:30 am
Kelis
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I believe all three items would damage/destroy electonic devices.
1) Water - Well know conductor and obvious problem for electronics.
2) Mercury - Also a conductor, used in mercury switches. Can connect two or more circuits just by running accross them.
3) Acetone - Not sure why but Tanner seems to be the expert on this one.
So, I speculate that the cube, being a "technological wonder" is an electronic device of some type.
Besides being bad for circuit boards/electronics, are there any other commonalities with the three elements/compounds?
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:49 am
tanner
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i think its more subtle than that --- dunno what tho -- we spent long time looking
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:36 pm
RI_Barnica
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Acetone is the major component of traditional nail-polish remover. So, for instance, you wouldn't want to get it on anything that was made of some plastics or coated with a plastic (flatscreen monitors, cd cases, auto paint jobs, leather shoes - it would probably strip off the shine and some of the color, etc.).
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:38 pm
[JiF]AngryBunny
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Maybe we're thinking too limited here. Thought just occurred to me... what if those three substances, instead of using their properties... what about their names? Someone with an acronym system or a lot of time, take the four words "acetone" "water" "liquid" and "mercury" and see what you can do with them. We might want to try the same thing to the chemical formulas... C3H6O, H20, Mg... maybe a chemical whiz can come up with some kind of formula for combining all three? (yes, i realize that mercury sits as a lump when in water... but humor me)
Just a couple thoughts... and MikeyJ, i appreciate the help... i've been racking my and my family's brains for a substance, an object, something that has to do with at least 2, if not all 3 of those substances... but nothing yet.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:03 pm
Scott
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[JiF]AngryBunny wrote:
C3H6O, H20, Mg
interesting idea ... I always have liked playing with elemental symbols.
except of course mercury is Hg , eh
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:39 pm
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C4H6HgO4 or Hg(C2H3O2)2
aka
mercuric acetate or mercury acetate or mercury(II) acetate or mercury(II) diacetate or Mercuriacetate or acetic acid or mercury (2+) salt (all the same chemical it has lots of names)
could result from the combination of all three chemicals
MSDS is here http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m1430.htm
it's a highly toxic posion 1 gram is leathal
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:54 pm
Salkunh
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maybe the cube is a WMD and thats why sente wants it also fulfilling my sente is evil prophecy...huzzah
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:26 pm
Mima
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Salkunh wrote:
why do you assume Liquid Mercury means very cold? Isnt Mercury used in thermometers because its a liquid at room temperature?
It is almost an oxymoron to say *liquid* mercury, and therefore it jumped out at me.
I tried to find a situation where all of the conditions could be met at the same time - where there was no way at all for The Cube to be exposed to any of the substances. For Mercury to be solid it must be below -38.83 Centigrade, and for it to be a gas it has to be above 356.73 Centigrade. The cold option seemed to make more sense.
And as acetone is naturally occuring (ie would always be present even if in miniscule quantities) in both air and water, the only sure way for no exposure to take place is away from both.
I was just turing it on its head & looking from another direction!
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:30 pm
uptownishnyc
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Salkunh wrote:
maybe the cube is a WMD and thats why sente wants it also fulfilling my sente is evil prophecy...huzzah
If the xxxx cube IS a WMD, we may as well all stop checking this board.... It isn't here, it doesn't exist, and we'll just waste a lot of time and money convincing everyone that we were "right." Besides, we'll all be looking in the UK when really the whole problem centered around, say, Spain.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:32 pm
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uptownishnyc keep your politcal oppinions to your self
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:59 pm
aleph13
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Mikeyj wrote:
...mercury was used in thermometers for years, but due to its toxicity is being replaced by acetone (I think) which is the red liquid you get in modern thermometers.
I googled it, and it's just alcohol with red coloring (could well be ehtanol, like Seej suggested).
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:38 pm
Mikeyj
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On the thermometer front...
on the
Quote:
mercuric acetate or mercury acetate or mercury(II) acetate or mercury(II) diacetate or Mercuriacetate or acetic acid or mercury (2+) salt (all the same chemical it has lots of names)
acetate and acetone are quite different chemicals...acetate is a carboxylic acid and acetone is a ketone. They can be interconverted, but have different chemistries...try putting acetone on chips...
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:51 am
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i'm glad theres some diffrence, all chemical sites i visited listed those as "synonims", but i was pretty sure chemical namming was methodical enough that you shouldn't end up with that many names for one chemical.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:39 pm
beano³
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BoBzOmBiE wrote:
Got a chemistry degree and cant think of anything off hand that reacts with mercury water and acetone, but got a massive pile of txt books. Think a night of research may be in order..... May lead to a clue as to what the XXXXXX is, maybe. Howver, all are liquids, so maybe the cube is highly absorbent, like a silica crystal. (or a sponge ).
How did your research go?
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:09 pm
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