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[SPEC|15/10 Spoilers] What is Oni Up To?
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well the only thing i knew about how the artifact distorting slipspace was that when the covies tried shooting at them it would fly off in a bunch of different directions. and they arrived where they were supposed to be alot sooner than they expected. does anybody know *how* affected slipspace
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This is pretty OT, so I apologise. Still, the question was asked in this thread...

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What even more interesting is the Grunts.... ? They speak hi pitch English

Examples:

He Killed Elite...RUN!!

Bad Cyborg

So my question is why is that?

I happen to know the real (i.e. the actual reason, not the in-story reason) answer to this since I was at a post-mortem of Halo's development here in Redmond.
The actual answer is because the Halo developers noticed in focus group testing the following:

  • People didn't notice that if you killed the Elites, sometimes the Grunts ran away.
  • So they made the Grunts almost always run away. Nope, still noone noticed.
  • Now they made the Grunts always run away. Still nothing.
  • Ok, now the Grunts always run away screaming with their arms above their head. Goose egg.
  • Finally, in an act of desperation, they made the Grunts always shout "He Killed Elite...RUN!!" and run away screaming with their arms above their heads. A few people noticed. But not very many.


The moral of this story is that when designing game AI, don't bother being too subtle.
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To paraphrase- "This installation has a range of 25,000 light years...and when the others follow suit, I assure you, this galaxy will be completely devoid of life. Hmm-mm-mm." - 343 Guilty_Spark

Follow suit? Does this not imply that the Halo installations are mobile?

In Halo, the ring they come across is completely stationary. What purpose could that possibly fill? I suggest that the "Artifact" found in space in one of many and that they are homing beacons for the Halo installations.

If a race of beings happens to find and activate one, a pulse large enough to knock out the C&C and chatter nets occurs. A Halo activates and begins it's transportation to that location.

I assume that it will Arrive after the Covenant invasion starts and that will mean two things:

1. The Battle for Earth will turn into complete chaos as both sides try to figure out just what the %@$! is happening.
2. That the Covenant invasion will begin during our last few .wav files. Hopefully in a "War of the Worlds" style.

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mobile halos?

AngriBuddhist wrote:
To paraphrase- "This installation has a range of 25,000 light years...and when the others follow suit, I assure you, this galaxy will be completely devoid of life. Hmm-mm-mm." - 343 Guilty_Spark

Follow suit? Does this not imply that the Halo installations are mobile?


Why would it imply that they are mobile? "Follow suit" just means "do the same as." If the first Halo has a radius of 25,000 light years, the Forerunners could have placed the halos at evenly spaced intervals, so that when they went off, they'd have the whole galaxy covered. I see no reason why they would have to be mobile.
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Re: mobile halos?

Phaedra wrote:
Why would it imply that they are mobile? "Follow suit" just means "do the same as." If the first Halo has a radius of 25,000 light years, the Forerunners could have placed the halos at evenly spaced intervals, so that when they went off, they'd have the whole galaxy covered. I see no reason why they would have to be mobile.


I agree. I've always thought 343 meant that "when the other Halo installations are detonated," not that they can move. As far as I remember, the Halo ring in Halo is also at a fixed Lagrange point, which means it uses the gravitation of Basis and Threshold (Forget which is the moon and which is the planet?) to stay in place. To me, this implies that it was probably dragged there and left to float. Then again, I took physics 101 like 10 years ago, so this could all be totally wrong. And in any case, it's not that big of a deal anyway. I'm just bored. Very Happy
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Could the Forerunner believe that simply placing Halos around the Universe would be enough. What if one was say...destroyed? There would then be 25,000 light years that were not in their coverage area. Where is the failsafe?

This [SPEC] thread is open for debate but I believe that it would be more probable that the Forerunner with their superior technology would have a few mobile Halos than 1,000,000 of them spread across the entire Universe.

The Forerunner might be extravagent but I doubt that they have the conquering mentality that such an endevour would require.

And yes, as I mentioned, the original Halo was in a stationary position. I did not say that I thought they traveled across the Universe hoping to come across sentient life. In my theory, they would stay stationary until they were activated by an "Artifact".

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AngriBuddhist wrote:

This [SPEC] thread is open for debate but I believe that it would be more probable that the Forerunner with their superior technology would have a few mobile Halos than 1,000,000 of them spread across the entire Universe.


Maybe, but the fact that the Halo we're on in the first game isn't primarilly a weapon is being ignored I think. Halo (Installation 04) was built to study and contain the Flood, so the others may or may not have Flood on at all. They could be used to study something else entirely, and at the same time work as a failsafe in case one Halo goes haywire.

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Further back in this thread there was debate over how the Covenant found earth. I'm not sure if this was touched on, but in one of the books (Cant remember what one) The narrative talks of a device latching to a human ship and recording all the places it had been. I always considered this being how they found us.

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