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Shadowkiller
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 		I have a feeling this drama isn't going to end happily. Jan is currently getting her revenge, Sophia is getting shaken down because Aiden wants to cop a deal, and Kamal will likely end up wanted by the cops who will now think because he is offline that he is running from them. Guess how it ends? Hello Covies, please don't glass earth.

As far a the spec as to some of the characters being in Halo 2. I have been thinking it is possible for awhile. MC is supposed to have unexpected allies. Spartan 1.0s and there kids would definitely be unexpected, as well as a super hacker like Kamal who can give an give a Smart AI a run for her money, and Jersey who just happens to have that smart AI. They could come in handy while taking over a Covie ship.
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Durga's 7 years old... not too surprising given her hiccups, but due to make things a lot more interesting if she loses it completely.


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 		Ah, Rampancy.

Do you think that Jersey could really pull the plug on Durga if she exhibited stages of Rampancy?

I think, taking a lesson from what the creative minds at Bungie cooked up for the Marathon trilogy, the outcomes of Rampancy in an A.I. are wholly impossible to predict. On the one hand we had Durandal, and on the other we had Tycho. Durandal only sought to find an escape from the closure of the universe, while Tycho was wholly consumed with anger at the betrayal of Durandal and sought to destroy him utterly.

Lifting the following from Marathon:

Quote:

"It is a side effect of Rampancy that AIs generally become
more aggressive and more difficult to affect by subterfuge.
Thus, actually disassembling a Rampant AI is quite dangerous.
This was evident in the Crash of Traxus IV in 2206. By the
time that the Rampancy of Traxus was detected, he had already
infiltrated five of the other AIs on the Martian Net. The
only recourse for the Martians was to shut down the Martian
Planetary Net. Even then, it took two full years to
completely root out the damage that Traxus had done, and the
repercussions of the Crash were seen for over ten years after
his Rampancy had begun.
***
Rampancy has been divided into three distinct stages. Each
stage can take a different amount of time to develop, but the
end result is a steady progression towards greater
intellectual activity and an acceleration of destructive
impulses. It is not clear whether these impulses are due to
the growth of the AI's psyche, or simply a side effect of the
new intellectual activity.
***
<section abbreviated>
The three stages were diagnosed shortly after the first
Rampancies were discovered on Earth in the latter part of the
twenty first century. The stages are titled after the primary
emotional bent of the AI during each stage. They are
Melancholia, Anger, and Jealousy.
***
In general, Rampancy is accelerated by outside stimuli. This
was discovered early in Cybertonics. The more a Rampant AI is
harassed or threatened, the more rapidly it becomes dangerous.
Thus, most Rampants are dealt with in one mighty attack, in
order to deny the AI time to grow or recover. There have been
a few examples of this tactic not succeeding. In all of these
cases, the Rampant was never brought under control. Traxus IV
is the most notable example. He was finally dealt with by a
complete shutdown of his host net.
***
Theoretically, testing Rampancy should be easily accomplished
in the laboratory, but in fact it has never successfully been
attempted. The confinement of the laboratory makes it
impossible for the developing Rampant AI to survive. As the
growing recursive programs expand with exponential vivacity,
any limitation negatively hampers growth. Since Rampant AIs
need a planetary sized network of computers in order to grow,
it is not feasible to expect anyone to sacrifice a world-web
just to test a theory.
***
In the two hundred and fifty years since Rampancy first
appeared in the Earth-net, the stable Rampant AI, the 'Holy
Grail' of cybertonics, has never come close to fruition.
Since no Rampant has ever been controlled or turned to any
useful purpose, it is the opinion of this writer and of the
majority of the Cybertonic community that all rampant AIs are
a danger to Cyberlife, Liberty, and the Pursuit of
Thrashedness. (James B. Miller, 2320, "Life and Death of
Intelligence")


In the case of Marathon, the planetary sized network was the network of Marathon (a colony ship forged from a moon of Mars).

For Durga, that planetary sized network could very well be Earth itself. We all know that the Covenant attack on Earth is imminent. If Durga begins to exhibit signs of rampancy at the moment of attack, eyes will be turned elsewhere and there will be little to stop her from consuming the whole planets net.

Indeed. if Durga becomes anything like Durandal (with a twist of Leela, perhaps?), she could prove to be a very valuable ally in the war on the Covenant. Durandal quite nearly single-handedly architected the downfall and demise of the Pfhor, including the sack of their homeworld by the joint forces of the Humans the S'pht'Kr. Such a powerful entity is something that the Humans will desperately need with the Covenant sack Earth.


Curiouser and curiouser...

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 		I guess Thin Kinkle and I have something in common now, "babysitter" messed up both out plans... Thankfully mine was just a SPEC, so I'm not going to jail. Smile

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 		rampancy~

So far, haloverse AIs dont exactly go through rampancy after aging. they Do exhibit repeating flaws and logic loops and all the rest until all the processes turn inwards and they fall apart. they "think themselves to death" even on large and powerful networks.
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 		possible spoiler:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Does anyone here feels bothered by the fact that the man Sophia is talking to in tooth_fairy sounds very much like Standish?

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skyhawk0000 wrote:
rampancy~

So far, haloverse AIs dont exactly go through rampancy after aging. they Do exhibit repeating flaws and logic loops and all the rest until all the processes turn inwards and they fall apart. they "think themselves to death" even on large and powerful networks.


Except, in only_seven, Durga herself says:

Durga wrote:

"smart AIs, we grow and grow in complexity until we become too complex. It's called rampancy."


And if they're not shut down? "... we go crazy."

EDIT: so to me, it sounds like rampancy in the Haloverse does not necessarily require a planet-sized network, but instead only time... about seven years, to be specific. Creepy.

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 		great point, zemat. If it is not, then it has to be the same VA. The question is why? Nothing has happened to date that would make the flu find Kumal.... I mean, does he know about the artifact? I did not think so, but I may have missed something. Wink
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Just further reassurance that Monster Ann is not Gladys in 'intercom' since Durga is working with Gladys and she also identifies Monster Ann in the basement with Thin while Gladys is on the roof. Can't wait for more Smile


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 		seems we are having a bit of an off week getting axons. Has anyone posted anything trascript/summary/audio from other files? Don't mean to be impatient, but... well I guess I am impatient. hehehehehe.
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
So before packbus gets enhottenated here's a little [SPEC]:

Sophie's going to turn Kamal over to the authorities, thus basically ending Sophie and Aiden's part in this story, unless they get back at them later. Kamal's gonna get 'questioned' and later on(next week maybe) the group(Jersey, Durga & Jan) will have to rescue Kamal....
We'll see...

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MeKiwi wrote:
so to me, it sounds like rampancy in the Haloverse does not necessarily require a planet-sized network, but instead only time... about seven years, to be specific. Creepy.


The way I read it, a planet-sized network is what an AI needs to expand onto in order to keep from going Rampant. Since I haven't seen one that has a planet-net available (save Melissa, who is growing rather suspiciously...), nobody has been able to test whether or not giving an AI one would help stabilize it.

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daboking wrote:
great point, zemat. If it is not, then it has to be the same VA. The question is why? Nothing has happened to date that would make the flu find Kumal.... I mean, does he know about the artifact? I did not think so, but I may have missed something. Wink


IF it is Standish, he could be trying to find Kamal in order to have him "hack" the artifact for him...

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TridenT wrote:
The way I read it, a planet-sized network is what an AI needs to expand onto in order to keep from going Rampant. Since I haven't seen one that has a planet-net available (save Melissa, who is growing rather suspiciously...), nobody has been able to test whether or not giving an AI one would help stabilize it.


Thanks for the clarification, I went back and re-read the post and definitely agree with you now. Thanks!

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