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Responses From Melissa or SP re: Emailed Analog Pics
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missphinx
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How can we contact Kamal? Email !flea instructions to transmit an attached wav to durga? Ask Kamal/Durga to record a message for Yasmine?

Here's my response to Melissa:
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Melissa -

I am very honored to have received your missive.

I am aware that other loyal crew members have been in correspondence with you regarding these issues and our concerns that the Pious Flea is potentially a malignant virus. I will add my own suggestion.

Our evidence to date shows that the Sleeping Princess is able to evade the Pious Flea's attempts to "attach" to her and can also communicate with it. Please consider that you may be able to use the Sleeping Princess. If you can contact her in a non-threatening manner, she may be able to help you identify and analyze the Pious Flea.


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thunderclap8
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yeah i figure its leading us to dana because obviously as non-characters we can't really interact with the server all this is happening on. Dana, on the other hand, can do some modification or even implement the Cole Protocol for us if necessary (Ax + Server = not much Melissa, SP, or the flea could do about it). Kamal could factor in there as [SPEC] the one who has to 'talk down' a hybrid SP/flea after the flea !attaches itself to her.[/SPEC]

Needless to say, I'm getting really interested in seeing how this all works out.
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weephun
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krystyn wrote:
The game seems to be leading us to Dana, since she's back stateside and has come to some agreement with Melissa. But man, I cannot kick this idea that we need Kamal. He is an eyewitness to details that only a brother would know. Stuff he hasn't related to Sophia or anyone else in range of chatters. He is human proof of the connection, and with Dana, perhaps they can locate this virus and trick it or obliterate it for good.

Then there's that pesky artifact, magnetically ticking away.


Sending an email to Melissa now .. just wanting some opinions on information to include/exclude.

I agree that Kamal would be helpful, but how to convince Melissa that he would be? From reports of some here on the board we now know that the SP believes that Kamal is her brother. I believe this information could be used to peak Melissa's interest in Kamal, but don't want to step on any toes my using any META information. What say ye? (especially ye of the name krystyn)?
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Quote:
Then there's that pesky artifact, magnetically ticking away.


And the Flea seems to know all about that.

Quote:

behold the truth
3 2 1

I don't even understand that a little bit.


!3 !2 !1
!BEHOLD

and then what?


analyze Princess
fail

Then what? After I behold? Then what happens?


scramble


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Ah, nice connection, Vector!

weephun, I am thinking we need to use the flea to transmit to Durga, somehow. I know, that seems backwards, but that appears to be the ONLY WAY for us to communicate to the future. It's how we got her the Herzog files - what can we possibly transmit to her that will get us into contact with Kamal? What would be neat, clean, concise, non-alarming?

How can we use Dana to this end? She's obviously being prodded into action. Perhaps she can find a way to circumvent the flea and transmit stuff herself?

Dana has physical presence of the webserver on her side, and the SP's affection. She has also, through us, gained Melissa's trust, to a certain degree. So maybe she can figure out a way to transmit and get us Kamal to provide proof ...?

This all seems so pie-in-the-sky, I know, but I keep getting thrown back to ideas along the lines of Loki's nightmare from Cloudmakers ... Maybe something like this?

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I continue to think that if Melissa didn't have rogue processes running around in her system and wasn't infected with a virus, we wouldn't need anyone else to transmit to Durga. I think Melissa would do it herself. She seems to be concerned that Durga might be infected with the virus also, maybe if she was running at full capacity, she might be able to help Durga remove the virus.

Alternately, Durga seems to be starting to have a connection to the Sleeping Princess. If the PF is removed, maybe the SP could continue transmitting.

I've never liked the PF anyway. Wink
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weephun wrote:
She seems to be concerned that Durga might be infected with the virus also...

Alternately, Durga seems to be starting to have a connection to the Sleeping Princess.


i think that those 2 are one and the same
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weephun
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Email ready to go:

weephun's email wrote:
To Melissa and Dana:

Melissa, I have been contacted by other loyal crew members and given this information from you:

*quoted message from Melissa*

First off, it is nice to be in contact with those loyal to the mission again. It raises my spirit and fuels my drive to do whatever I can to help with the mission.

Again, the virus (or the Pious Flea) is communicating with the Sleeping Princess on the contactme.html page. All previous communications between them (and from the Sleeping Princess to her friends can be found at http://www.ilovebees.com/onceuponatime.html )

The Sleeping Princess is using the virus to hide from you now. It seems quite obvious now that you have been infected with this virus during your reconstruction as it is able to hide not only the Sleeping Princess but also itself in plain site from you while we have no trouble at all seeing it's interactions with the Sleeping Princess and also it's messages elsewhere (honey.html especially). It also seems to be affecting your mission goals and decisions. As such I think it will be extremely difficult for you to purge this virus yourself. I tried to warn you about this "Pious Flea" when we first spoke about finding the Sleeping Princess, I regret now that I didn't press the issue more.

I believe that a solution to the infection will require the involvement of a third party with access to the system. Dana, I suggest that you take the time to manually search and destroy this virus. Only after it is gone will Melissa then be able to rationally see the true nature of what and who the Sleeping Princess is and deal with her accordingly. I would start with the honey.html page as that seems to be the Pious Flea's main residence and then work out from there.

[META?????]
It is nice to finally get some more insight into the true nature of the Pious Flea. As for the true nature of the Sleeping Princess, she has communicated to some of her friends that she believes that Kamal is her brother. If you have any way of communicating with Kamal you may be able to confirm or deny this and gain more insight into who this rogue process is and what it wants.
[/META??????]

Signing out, awaiting further instructions
Lt. weephun


That is, if the Pious Flea doesn't stop Melissa from seeing it Wink
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weephun wrote:
Alternately, Durga seems to be starting to have a connection to the Sleeping Princess. If the PF is removed, maybe the SP could continue transmitting.

I've never liked the PF anyway. Wink


Hmm, but have you considered *why* the PF is able to send messages into the future without much apparent effort? The fact that he can do so at all is rather mind-bending -- time travel itself is paradoxical enough, but to be able to send messages back and forth without traveling oneself is bizarre, and I'm not sure it's a concept I've ever come across before.

It's odd enough that the PF can do it, but even if Durga's been finding her inner Yasmine, what is there to suggest that Melissa or the SP would have the first *clue* how to do this? I think the connection to Durga remains the PF. Melissa is aware that Durga is out there, but I think that's because of him.

What I'm getting to is that all along I (and many other people around here) been assuming that the PF was Covenant. What if he's not? What if he's Forerunner? Forerunner artifacts create weird temporal effects, why wouldn't a Forerunner program have some control over time? If we attempt to neutralize him, not only may we lose our connection to Durga, we might strand Melissa and the SP here.

As usual, I could be way off.

By the way, weephun, how does one pronounce your name?
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Phaedra wrote:

By the way, weephun, how does one pronounce your name?

wee (think kid having a good time ... weeeee)
phun (fun)

*Me when I make an excellent kill in Halo = "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeephun"
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Maybe these emails are the answer. But all we have to offer as proof of the SP's true self is what we've been able to glean. Melissa can't even see the SP, is not able to trust Durga because Durga might be infected, which keeps bringing me back to Kamal. He is human, and yes, fallable, but he cannot be infected by a Covenant's computer virus, and would be able to do some sort of Turing-test-in-reverse on the SP. As suspicious and wary as Melissa is, why should she believe us that the SP is not a threat? "Well, uh, she's cute! And she likes red balloons and cake! And she tells us stories! And it sounds like she's you, except at age 6!" If I were Melissa, I'd tell us to stop being soft humans, and get her some real proof.

If we can't get Kamal, then perhaps we need to provide a compendium of all the stuff we know about the SP, since Miss M. can't see it for herself, and that might be enough. It seems weak, though. She does like Ye Olde Initiative. Why else have we been saluting at phones and singing Payphone Karaoke and making images all these weeks? Was that just busywork? We've got to coordinate somehow. Yah?

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I received one of the e-mails, too, my pictures being the two wedding cakes (the first was ganked from a Google search - it's the "Esther" style - and the second involved GIMP and a mouse).

We need to explain to Melissa what the Pious Flea is, and in such a way that Melissa cannot deny it. This means I need help:


1. I need to know what pages contain logs of the Flea's attempts to camouflage itself as the SPDR. Bruce's page is nice for telling me what happened, but I need to be able to link Melissa to the files so she can see for herself. Consider it explaining the solve, if you will. With this info, I can make her face the fact that her SPDR version number is likely illegal (how does a program made in the future update itself in the past? Answer: It *doesn't*).
2. Is there anywhere the Flea is currently looking that the Princess is not? I'm going to tell Melissa that the Princess is actually a symptom of rampancy (and point her to the appropriate Jersey .wav files), but I'd still rather her go after the Flea without finding the Princess first.</li>
3. I need operation code that would revert a process to an earlier version of that process. ...yeah, like it'd be that easy, but still....

If I can get that, I can send an e-mail with that information, and we can...maybe...hit endgame?
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What if Mel is right, and Yasmine has gone rampant? You guys been noticing her verbage as of late?
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SuperJerms wrote:
What if Mel is right, and Yasmine has gone rampant? You guys been noticing her verbage as of late?


SPEC:

Melissa = Durga = Sleeping Princess = Yasmine's scanned brain. Hence, Melissa is rampant.

Perhaps it's better to explain a bit: I believe (and I talked about this in chat the other day) that what they do when they brain scan someone is to lock their personality away - SP in a glass coffin is our example here.

Now, if someone kidnapped me as a six-year-old kid, subjected me to tests until I died, scanned my brain to make an AI out of it, and then locked my personality away so I didn't do something rash (say, set the temp controls on the scientists' houses to five hundred degress fahrenheit), I would think my personality would do everything in its power to get out. When it did, something horribly, horribly ugly would happen, depending on my imagination and the proximity of guilty parties' genitals to electronic equipment.

That is what I believe causes rampancy.

The mystery that remains here is how Durga got renamed Melissa. For now, all I can guess is that Jersey's going to do something to temp fix Durga's rampancy problem, leaving us poor saps in the past to clean up the mess. (Time's divine retribution, I might add, for all those times you hear about in video games where the old wizard locked the monster away for a thousand years, and he emerges in the future.)

In the meantime, I'm more worried about how to explain how the SPDR got switched for the Flea to a corrupted and touchy AI. Suggestions?
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vidstudent wrote:
The mystery that remains here is how Durga got renamed Melissa.


trout me if i'm wrong, but I believe Melissa got renamed Durga by Jersey, who, in the first batch of waves, asks the strange AI that killed his beloved Jeanie what her name is. As to why he names her Durga, of that I am not sure. Jersey does say that it is "at least partly right"

http://transmit.ilovebees.com/outbound/durga.wav
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