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Responses From Melissa or SP re: Emailed Analog Pics
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Phaedra
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Zantetsuken wrote:
vidstudent wrote:
The mystery that remains here is how Durga got renamed Melissa.


trout me if i'm wrong, but I believe Melissa got renamed Durga by Jersey, who, in the first batch of waves, asks the strange AI that killed his beloved Jeanie what her name is. As to why he names her Durga, of that I am not sure. Jersey does say that it is "at least partly right"

http://transmit.ilovebees.com/outbound/durga.wav


Plus, presumably she was whole when she was the functioning AI of the Apocalypso, and Captain Greene calls her "Melissa." So, while her name as a human may have been Yasmine, as an AI, her original name was Melissa.
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(I got my bees in special commendation, and my ballons and cake/ice cream in honorable mention. woot!)

I am writing a reply now, but I would like to make sure I don't miss anything. Here is the first part:

Quote:
My Operator,

I am honored to be of assistance in our mission, and honored to be working with you.

The "Sleeping Princess" (SP) process has been attempting to use your communication channels since her escape. Only recently has she been able to successfully connect to your axons on her own, and I find this most distressing.

I do not believe that she "magically" learned how to use your processes, but I am most fearful that something else is tracing your steps and sending the SP process information. This entity is what your crew refer to as the "Pious Flea" (PF). There is a new log as of this morning (~9 PDT) located on the contactme.html page (http://www.ilovebees.com/contactme.html) and further logs can be found at http://www.ilovebees.com/onceuponatime.html . We believe that the PF is the Covenant virus and I will make an attempt to explain to you why:

As you can tell from the logs, the SP has been successful so far in avoiding the !attach from the PF. We, the crew, have evidence that your SPDR may know more about the PF and the SP. During several times within the last three months, this PF has been trying to masquerade as your SPDR. We also fear that when you deleted your older "version" of the SPDR a month or so back, you deleted the real SPDR and kept the imposter SPDR (PF in disguise). This is only a feat that a Covenant virus can acheive so seamlessly.

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I also received the same email from Melissa that has been posted in this thread.

I don't know how relevant it is, but check it out (from Dictionary.com):

"Me*lis"sa\, n. [NL., fr. Gr. me`lissa a bee, honey.] (Bot.) A genus of labiate herbs, including the balm, or bee balm (Melissa officinalis)."

(emphasis added by me)

Sorry if it is trout. i couldn't find it when I did a search.

Also, Jasmine and Melissa are plants that bloom with white or yellow flowers. Both are used in tea as well. Melissa (lemon balm) is used as a diaphoretic, which fits Melissa the AI quite well, I think. Wink
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Woohoo!! so glad I built this topic - I was beggining to think no one was gonna get a response - although I did get an Honorable Mention ( for the MS paper clip and Cortana - 1st one on the page) no email for me - so thanx for sharing....

And the possibilities continue to abound.....
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I am assuming everyone who got a special commendation received an e mail. Did anyone who got an honorable mention receive an e mail?
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Zantetsuken wrote:
vidstudent wrote:
The mystery that remains here is how Durga got renamed Melissa.


trout me if i'm wrong, but I believe Melissa got renamed Durga by Jersey, who, in the first batch of waves, asks the strange AI that killed his beloved Jeanie what her name is. As to why he names her Durga, of that I am not sure. Jersey does say that it is "at least partly right"

http://transmit.ilovebees.com/outbound/durga.wav


Well, Jersey is most likely refering to this Durga. "...the embodiment of feminine and creative energy..."

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ONI Tech Alec wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:
vidstudent wrote:
The mystery that remains here is how Durga got renamed Melissa.


trout me if i'm wrong, but I believe Melissa got renamed Durga by Jersey, who, in the first batch of waves, asks the strange AI that killed his beloved Jeanie what her name is. As to why he names her Durga, of that I am not sure. Jersey does say that it is "at least partly right"

http://transmit.ilovebees.com/outbound/durga.wav


Well, Jersey is most likely refering to this Durga. "...the embodiment of feminine and creative energy..."

Following your link to wiki I took it one step further....
Durga's avatar was Annapurna, a Sanskrit name which is translated as Goddess of the Harvests. It was the name of a mountain. The interesting part is who first climbed to the peak.....

DRUM ROLL PLEASE.......

Maurice HERZOG and Louis Lachenal, of a French expedition, reached the summit on June 3, 1950.

WTFOMG!!!!!
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This is what I sent. Yes, I spellchecked it! Very Happy

Major Ace wrote:
My Operator,

I am honored to be of assistance in our mission, and honored to be working with you.

The "Sleeping Princess" (SP) process has been attempting to use your communication channels since her escape. Only recently has she been able to successfully connect to your axons on her own, and I find this most distressing.

I do not believe that she "magically" learned how to use your processes, but I am most fearful that something else is tracing your steps and sending the SP process information. This entity is what your crew refer to as the "Pious Flea" (PF). There is a new log as of this morning (~9 PDT) located on the contactme.html page ( http://www.ilovebees.com/contactme.html ) and further logs can be found at http://www.ilovebees.com/onceuponatime.html . We believe that the PF is the Covenant virus and I will make an attempt to explain to you why:

As you can tell from the logs, the SP has been successful so far in avoiding the !attach from the PF. We, the crew, have evidence that your SPDR may know more about the PF and the SP. During several times within the last three months, this PF has been trying to masquerade as your SPDR. We also fear that when you deleted your older "version" of the SPDR a month or so back, you deleted the real SPDR and kept the impostor SPDR (PF in disguise). This is only a feat that a Covenant virus can achieve so seamlessly.

If our hunches are correct, you may be in worse danger than we imagined.

Personally, I do not know the intentions of the SP. I am in a difficult position to advise: The SP does not seem threatening, unless the PF succeeds in !attach. However, it's always the unsuspecting things that catch you most by surprise. The interface of the SP is very childlike, and her processes are quite immature. I have a suspicion that the reason the PF is trying to !attach to her is because it would be easier than to attack you directly.

At this point I would go for a "divide and conquer" approach to the two processes. Now that you have Dana working with you, it would probably be best for her to rid you of the PF before taking action against the SP. Once the PF is neutralized, containment of the rogue process will be an easy task for an AI such as yourself. After containment, I would interrogate the SP and verify or reject her position on the ship. I suggest Dana because I believe the PF is cloaking himself by infecting your channels. We, your loyal crew, are able to see him easily but are having a difficult time controlling him with what little access we have.

I sincerely hope you receive this message. Now that you are aware of the PF, I am sure it will try to further block your communications.

I look forward to your reply, and if I can be any further help, contact me. I will be waiting.

Maj. Ace, Elite Forces

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Some what ifs:

What if Melissa is just suffering from acute paranoia?

What if the original SPDR was the Covie "virus" that caused Melissa to go all wonky? Remember the pain she was in during the "operations" put upon her by the SPDR program? All even under the Flea's influence she isn't exactly seeking, beholding, and revealing the WHOLE truth, as evidenced by the secret files the Princess has been accessing for us.

What if, in order to save Melissa, the Flea must attach the Princess to her? In essence, if Melissa is the cold, calculating side of Durga, and the Princess is the emotion side, surpressed to make sure the A.I. runs smoothly in military applications, by combining the two, the new entity would be able to fix whatever Covie programming had harmed her in the first place and get back to 2552.

What if the "Castaway", speculated to be Jersey's dad, was the one who sent Durga to Jersey, before or during whatever accident sent Melissa to our time, thus explaining the connection?

What if I'm TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT ALL OF THIS? Sorry if I'm wasting space.

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What if I actually used a spell check? Geez...sorry.

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I've always personally believed that SP and Melissa were 2 halves of the same whole. Cortana, while executing her mission perfectly in HALO, never missed an opportunity for at least one joke. She felt more personal, lets touchy.

Melissa is so darn touchy and evil and just straightforward. She doesn't seem like Cortana at all. And she's just way too of to one extreme.

SP is off to the completely opposite side of the spectrum. Too happy, to uncaring, too childish. Both of them put together seem like a bad case of bipolar disorder.

But melded together, they would seem like the "perfect" AI personality. Personal, yet devoted.

However, that's all SPEC pretty much. What I do got is a much more solid SPEC which will be described below.

Glass Coffin - Most of what SP has talked about were things that had computer-esque connotations. Glass Coffin may be her connotation for "Quarantined Program". When a virus scan traps a virus that it can't clean immediately, it quarantines it for deletion.

The file still exists on the computer, it can still be seen and accessed, but it can't interact. Sorta like it's behind glass.

Deletion would be death to a program. Coffins usually represent death. Put it all together, glass coffin.

Then, the come back to this arguement would be "Why isn't SP dead if she was in the quarantine bin that was ready to be shredded and its data thrown into the great abyss of nothingness?"

SPEC: Going back to the 2 halves of the same whole concept, SP can't be deleted. She's a required file. If they are truly 2 halves of the same whole, you can't get rid of one half without severly injuring the other. It's clean her and put her back inside Melissa, or go find the server and initiate the Cole Protocol.

One of the most dangerous problems of a virus is its ability to possibly infect programs, create new fake programs, or steal data. Flea hasn't made any fake programs, but he could be using the corrupted SP for a shield. Making Melissa think she found the core file of the virus and just sorta backing off while the Flea is still able to roam around and do things.

Didn't Flea follow Melissa around?

Also, I did some backtracking and found some SPDR talk. Oddly... SPDR speaks the exact way Flea does. So... maybe we should see if Melissa still thinks SPDR is alive, because then that would be why she can't see flea.

grope:
!probe extern proc 1

surg:
!diag extern proc 1
rog

He saying Rogue Process? Because he's apparently found something that he doesn't like, and is trying to remove it via "Surgery - Surg".

Also, in Reconstruction Archive 2.3 we see:

The Covenant transmission?

grope:
!probe extern

Once agin, SPDR trying to find something out there. But a Covenant Transmission?

WILD SPEC: The ship never crashed here. It crashed in its own time. Only Melissa was sent here... Possibly after she caught that Covenant transmission that's being spoke of above she was infected and flung back in time. Her lack of presence and her inability to control some of the ship's vital functions led to its crash, or destruction by a Covenant ship.

Also, sorry SP lovers, but this is in the honey.htm file right now in SP green font:

Hi! Ignore the Pious Flea.
Play with me instead!
Making a mistake is a good way to start!

Mistakes? Grr.... anyway... I'll continue rooting through SPDR's ramblings before he went offline and was replaced by Flea. Maybe he hit something that we overlooked because we didn't know what it meant until now.

Either way, I would implore that anyone who gets in contact with Melissa asks about the status of the SPDR program. If it's still active, we know that it has to be Flea.
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I'll remind everyone again; "Pious Flea" is a name created by the Sleeping Princess. Melissa is only now recognizing the name "Princess" because we keep mentioning it in connection to the "Rogue Process". Otherwise, she is just "the Rogue Process".
Likewise, the "flea" may only be know to her as "Seeker" or "Extern Process 1"

Yellowbrickroad.html wrote:

Mind if I just call you Buggy?

reveal:
!label seeker

Hey, call yourself whatever you like,
you're still the Pious Flea to me. So,
what's with all the roads?


SPDR wrote:

surg:
!diag extern proc 1
rogue proc


"Seeker" is what the pious flea know itself by.
"Command Process" or "Master Sector"is what the Seeker calls Melissa/Operator/Queen.
"External Process 0" is what the Seeker called the Sleeping Princess before it interacted with her.
"Extern Process 1" is what the SPDR calls the flea.
"Princess" is what the Seeker calls the SP after interacting with her.

Having said that, I got 2 pics in Honorable mention, and no email.
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Re: Old stuff

DeltinaWildfire wrote:
Also, I did some backtracking and found some SPDR talk. Oddly... SPDR speaks the exact way Flea does. So... maybe we should see if Melissa still thinks SPDR is alive, because then that would be why she can't see flea.

grope:
!probe extern proc 1

surg:
!diag extern proc 1
rog

He saying Rogue Process? Because he's apparently found something that he doesn't like, and is trying to remove it via "Surgery - Surg".

Yup. This is old stuff, from before Melissa deleted SPDR (as you already know). SPDR was, indeed, diagnosing the Pious Flea/Seeker/extern proc 1 as a "rogue process," and trying to "bite" him (without much success). You can see the entire conflict between SPDR and the Flea -- which culminated in Melissa deleting SPDR -- on the Fireflies Wiki either here or here, depending on which format you prefer. It's fascinating, because it shows several things: First, fragments of memories from Melissa serve as bookends to each stage of the conflict. Second, we appear to see the Flea actually learning SPDR-speak, and then using it against SPDR.

DeltinaWildfire wrote:
Also, in Reconstruction Archive 2.3 we see:

The Covenant transmission?

grope:
!probe extern

Once agin, SPDR trying to find something out there. But a Covenant Transmission?

"The Covenant transmission" is part of one of Melissa's memories, which bookended the SPDR/Flea conflict.

DeltinaWildfire wrote:
Also, sorry SP lovers, but this is in the honey.htm file right now in SP green font:

Hi! Ignore the Pious Flea.
Play with me instead!
Making a mistake is a good way to start!

Mistakes? Grr....

This text first appeared on August 28. At the time, "making a mistake" meant to get to the 404 error page, which was where the Princess was hiding at the time. She has since moved to contactme.html, but her old message on hives.html remains.
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Thanks for all the info Shad0 and trouting me, but I still think we're missing something that we should have caught on to by now... What that is, I don't know, but I'm running through all of this again to get some revelations.

I need a revelation right now, lol.
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DeltinaWildfire wrote:

Melissa is so darn touchy and evil and just straightforward. She doesn't seem like Cortana at all. And she's just way too of to one extreme.

SP is off to the completely opposite side of the spectrum. Too happy, to uncaring, too childish. Both of them put together seem like a bad case of bipolar disorder.

But melded together, they would seem like the "perfect" AI personality. Personal, yet devoted.



the sum is greater than its parts so to speak, agreed

Quote:

Hi! Ignore the Pious Flea.
Play with me instead!
Making a mistake is a good way to start!

Mistakes?

isn't that just a clue to check out the 404 page
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