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[SPEC] Monster Ann = Gladys
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Incitatus
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[SPEC] Monster Ann = Gladys

I'm saying it now, though there is little supporting evidence, there is also none for anyone else...

Gladys lead Jan to kinkle.
Kinkle seemed almost as though he was expecting her, and some of the comments he made eluded to future plans for her...
I would suggest the guy who attacked her was sent there to test her abilities, the guy she saved at the bar was settup as ploy to get her to make a move.

Gladys set Jan and James up. Think.
Gladys sent jan to kinkle's.
Monster Ann works for a security company.
Kinkle knew to expect her father. He knew that he was a skilled, "super soldier". He thought to drop the floor at the first sign of creeking, he knew to shoot him with 2 nets, and knew to kill him quickly before he broke out. he was unsurprised at his ability to tear the mesh.
Gladys, did not expect Gilly. James made this comtact secretly.
Gilly, had some knoledge of something up with Gladys as she entered the apartment block...


Again it's mighty weak, but there is no proof to implicate anyone else at this point. And I don't want to end up having this be right and me having said nothing...

if someone can further implicate Gladys or another, please by all means:
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i wondered the same thing, but never really followed through the thought process. Great SPEC, and I think it has real potential to reveal itself as true in the near future. I, too, was very bothered that Kinkle dropped the floor SO quickly and was so unsurprised the whole way through. IT is very circumstantial... but I said last week that I already fault Gladys for James 2's death. I cannot believe it was an accident she suggested such a den of evil for Jan to see the world if she really were a good friend to james. Who inspires a close personal friend's child to unnecessarily enter a dangerous situation. And don't forget that james broke the rule by going in alone, but thanks to Gladys, Jan went in alone from the getgo with Kinkle. Spartans are not, that is unwise if it were not deliberate
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Re: [SPEC] Monster Ann = Gladys

Incitatus wrote:
I'm saying it now, though there is little supporting evidence, there is also none for anyone else...

Gladys lead Jan to kinkle.
Kinkle seemed almost as though he was expecting her, and some of the comments he made eluded to future plans for her...
I would suggest the guy who attacked her was sent there to test her abilities, the guy she saved at the bar was settup as ploy to get her to make a move.

Gladys set Jan and James up. Think.
Gladys sent jan to kinkle's.
Monster Ann works for a security company.
Kinkle knew to expect her father. He knew that he was a skilled, "super soldier". He thought to drop the floor at the first sign of creeking, he knew to shoot him with 2 nets, and knew to kill him quickly before he broke out. he was unsurprised at his ability to tear the mesh.
Gladys, did not expect Gilly. James made this comtact secretly.
Gilly, had some knowledge of something up with Gladys as she entered the apartment block...


Again it's mighty weak, but there is no proof to implicate anyone else at this point. And I don't want to end up having this be right and me having said nothing...

if someone can further implicate Gladys or another, please by all means:


And, Gilly left immediately upon Gladys arrival.

I like this spec. Everything you say is true, and explains thing that otherwise just don't seem right given how tight the writing is in this story. In addition, it would explain something that really bothered me that I spec'd about earlier. That is that J^2 went down too easily. He was a spartan for goodness sake! By my count he had at least three seconds after he hit the floor before they netted him, why didn't he kill everyone there? There were only two of them!

I searched for explanations but most were totally lame. Incitatus now provides one. When J^2 said "I'm not alone" he wasn't bluffing he thought had Gladys as backup to come in right after him! He was being cautious to see if there was some threat to Jan (e. g. a deadman switch to explosives or some such) before he took everyone out. He hadn't broken the rule, he didn't go in alone! He was counting on Gladys to show up and allow him to get away. He also didn't expect immediate execution from kidnappers. He had to have been set up or Kinkle and his henchman would have been dead in a flash.

The Gladys recruiting Jan to her shady organization makes great sense. She could only do this with J^2 out of the way. The fact that she has never said anything like "I'm sorry that I ever got you started in this thing with Thin" is also telling. She set up the whole situation! It would have worked perfectly, except they couldn't have know about Durga! Durga called Gilly and messed up the whole thing.

My only questions is: shouldn't Durga be able to get the connection between Gladys and Monster Ann instantly?

Gladys may not be Monster Ann, but might just work for her. However adding a new character is not necessary, I like your original spec.

What a great plot twist if this is true!
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Hmmmm,

That's the first original SPEC I've seen in quite a bit.
Definitely something to keep an eye on, although motivation is still seriously lacking.

One quick question, you mention:
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Gladys, did not expect Gilly. James made this comtact secretly.
Gilly, had some knoledge of something up with Gladys as she entered the apartment block...


It's definitely SPEC that he did this without telling Gladys unless I missed something (quite possible).
Why do you say that Gilly thought there was something up with Gladys?
I did I quick search but could not locate the point you are referencing.

Overall I'm just happy to be free of the "Does Durga=Yasmine?" SPEC.
Congrats on the fresh idea Smile

EDIT - Wow I'm a slow typer. This really does tie a lot of stuff together. Great elaboration Arana.
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mordak wrote:

Why do you say that Gilly thought there was something up with Gladys?
I did I quick search but could not locate the point you are referencing.


EDIT - Wow I'm a slow typer. This really does tie a lot of stuff together. Great elaboration Arana.


In Sweet-as-sweet, Gilly Says:"Hey, here comes Gladys. You could pick her off sweet as sweet from these windows."

In the next clip she cuts out as soon as gilly gets there.

Thanks for the complement!
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I must note credit to Turbov21 for the apparent first mention of the idea that Gilly = Monster Ann, although without listing supporting evidence.
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Yes, a truly great post on both your parts... Arana and Incitatus! I see your point, Arana, about James did not go in alone. That idea went completely by me until you said it. I buy it 100%. I would be shocked if you turn out to be wrong.
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It seems to Me that Gilly would have pointed out picking off gladys "sweet as sweet" for the same reason she noticed the sniper sightlines from the windows. gilly is Not always in wha we would call a normal frame of mind. all that training had its effects. I think if Anyone had been coming across her POV at that moment, she would have made a comment about picking them off, ie: Hey, here comes the mailman. You could pick him off sweet as sweet from these windows.
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Ah, of course.
I was looking too far back.
Well you two have just about made me a believer. It truly does add some light to what happened to J^2. I don't think that scene seemed right to most people here.

It will be interesting to see if more evidence is dug up as others get into this thread. I'll certainly be looking closely at Gladys from now on Wink
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I would concur with skyhawk that the sweet_as_sweet quote is more convenient to the spec rather than it is compelling.

She's just whack in the head. Cold-blooded, analytical. Jason Bourne might do well to watch out for the likes of her.

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krystyn wrote:
I would concur with skyhawk that the sweet_as_sweet quote is more convenient to the spec rather than it is compelling.

She's just whack in the head. Cold-blooded, analytical. Jason Bourne might do well to watch out for the likes of her.


Yeah, I agree. It is convenient, but not really supporting. There is not real evidence of Gilly suspecting Gladys. The rest of the support is strong, however.

Gilly's absence from the funeral also fits her character. But, one could also spec that she did not attend so that she could watch from a distance through a sniper scope to protect Jan. Even without the Gilly connection, it would seem that Jan as a witness to a murder would be a target. Shhh_Baby shows that Gilly does have real maternal feelings for Jan, even though they don't show much.
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I agree that the sweet_as_sweet quote is weak, but it is hardly a lynch pin in the theory.

I doubt J^2 would have called Gilly in for the original operation, since it required some restraint.
Since Gilly would have no way of knowing what was going on (from the perspective of Gladys), Gladys would not have counted on her coming in.
Durga obviously counts as an unknown Wink
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the sweet bit holds about as much credibility to me as the bike chain... zip, but the SPEC is very solid. Gilly may not be right in the head, but she does have some sort of maternal instincts, such as protecting Jan in danger, and trying to sooth/comfort her after the painful things she just experienced.
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Re: [SPEC] Monster Ann = Gladys

Arana wrote:
My only questions is: shouldn't Durga be able to get the connection between Gladys and Monster Ann instantly?

Maybe not instantly, but Durga should have found the link once she looked up Thin Kinkel's boss. Or told Jersey by the time he got home from the funeral. I would guess that Durga would be extremely thorough in her searches after losing J^2 through inattention. My guess is that Monster Ann is a separate/new character who is just not going to get much air time. But we shall see...

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Durga is having a hard time with Kamal offline... wouldn't the 1.0's be offline as well. Though not impossible, they would be very difficult to track. James did many things offline, like driving... though the spartans may not have taken it to the extreme Kamal has.
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