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Munchkin
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 		I may be wrong about this, but I was sure there's some law over here saying that you can't take photocopies/photographs of REAL bank notes... and it's not legal to make fake ones anyway... if I'm wrong about that discount it - but it sems odd - they would have had to have obtained the bank's permission or there's something slightly different going on there.

And I still find it odd that they've chosen the same ink for the name Sente as is used on the note... It's exactly the same - to my eyesight anyway.

- C

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Daffy889
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Munchkin wrote:
I may be wrong about this, but I was sure there's some law over here saying that you can't take photocopies/photographs of REAL bank notes... and it's not legal to make fake ones anyway... if I'm wrong about that discount it - but it sems odd - they would have had to have obtained the bank's permission or there's something slightly different going on there.


They haven't got the whole banknote on there though. You could hardly use that small section in the photograph to produce a fake one, so maybe they considered it to be legal.

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 		There is a big Hoohaa about the new versions of PS producing an error statement when you scan in a peice of money. This ofcourse is to preventpeople from compying them, isnt it... its not like people who copy money use ps to do it... ffs stupid bank. Anyway as far as we (cg people) are aware its not illegal to use images of currency, unless you are trying to pass them as real currency.
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(1) It is an offence for any person, unless the relevant authority has previously consented in writing, to reproduce on any substance whatsoever, and whether or not on the correct scale, any British currency note or any part of a British currency note.

(2) In this section—

"British currency note" means any note which—

(a) has been lawfully issued in England and Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland; and

(b) is or has been customarily used as money in the country where it was issued; and

(c) is payable on demand; and

"the relevant authority", in relation to a British currency note of any particular description, means the authority empowered by law to issue notes of that description.


http://www.lexisnexis.co.uk/lawcampus/student/Lev3/weblinked_books/lloyd/dataitem.asp?ID=12616&tid=7

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Munchkin
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 		To me that would suggest that:
Either it's not actually a real bank note - just looks like one.
Or that they obtained permission.
Or that that phrase "on any substance" just means that online is okay, but if we print it off we are being bad.
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Sasuntsi Davit
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 		"on any substance" suggests to me that any part of a banknote is not allowed to be reproduced in some 'physical' form..(eg paper, billboards, t-shirts...etc), but is allowed on computer screens...

if that is not the case, then these sites are breaking the law by showing pictures of british pound notes...

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~wwcoins/images/pw50pic4.jpg

http://www.fotosearch.de/comp/corbis/DGT249/CCO0047.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040909/thumb.sge.idw84.090904164713.photo00.default-384x205.jpg

to name a few.
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fimacmo
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 		I can't give a legal interpretation of the phrase "on an substance" as I'm not lawyer!! But

1. Just because those images are there doesn't make them legal

2 The second* image is clearly marked "specimen" which is what is required to comply with the law.

* Should read third - sorry

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KSG
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 		I would guess that it's actually quite illegal for them to be using those images. I know that it's breaking the equivalent US laws to have images of our money online. No comment on the "specimen" one.

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Seej
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Rei wrote:
There is a big Hoohaa about the new versions of PS producing an error statement when you scan in a peice of money. This ofcourse is to preventpeople from compying them, isnt it... its not like people who copy money use ps to do it... ffs stupid bank. Anyway as far as we (cg people) are aware its not illegal to use images of currency, unless you are trying to pass them as real currency.


IIRC, there used to be some colour photocopiers that would just print out a black page if they detected the exact colour of green ink that's used in US bank notes. Then people started complaining that when they tried to copy their photos of visits to the forest etc. they couldn't, and that idea sort of died a death. Anyway, if you're dumb enough to not notice a fake that's just a photocopy then getting ripped off could be a valuable learning experience for you Smile

On the subject of reproducing the portion of the note on the site, most instructional copies do usually say 'Specimen' across them. But seeing as this is only a little bit of the note I would have thought it's unlikely The Bank Of England is gonna get upset. Of course, IANAL (heh, flashback to my Slashdot days) but although there's clearly an argument that they're breaking the law, as stated by fimacmo, if I was responsible for checking up on this sort of thing I'm sure there's a lot of other people with genuine criminal intent I'd want to go after first.

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 		the design, and any part of the design, of any bank of england note is copyright

so all reproduction has to be with the permission of said bank to be legal

i think Confused
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Jon
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 		If we keep this up, someones gonna sue(can't spell, but you know what i mean) the makes of perplexcity.... Shocked

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fimacmo
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 		I'm sure that if they have used the image, they will have done so legitimately.

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 		we can only hope...

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fimacmo
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 		... Or else, that's the source of the hold-up. It's not that our collective thickness in not solving the missing link is meaning that the PM's are holding out, it's that they're all in the Tower.

Very Happy

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Jon
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 		lol! maybe they've taken the cube with them and we gotta bust them out.... now *that* would be and ARG! Twisted Evil

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