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[SPEC] Voice at beginning of new Halo 2 commercial is Durga?
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 		The bungie forums are having some technical difficulties, keep trying. PM me if you want me to give you a rundown of what he says re: guilty spark.
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 		my thinking is (and i think that the guy on the bungie forumssays the same thing... it's been a while since i've been over there) that at the particular point in time that you're on halo in the game, there are two of you (because of the artifact that they found on reach, there was some weird time distortiong affect and there are now two of everything/one on board the covenant/UNSC hybrid ship)... so, the thinking is that you (the 2nd) actually go to halo after you (the one in the game) blow it up (but before you - the one from the game - blow it up) and talk to GS 343...
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darkmoonz wrote:
my thinking is (and i think that the guy on the bungie forumssays the same thing... it's been a while since i've been over there) that at the particular point in time that you're on halo in the game, there are two of you (because of the artifact that they found on reach, there was some weird time distortiong affect and there are now two of everything/one on board the covenant/UNSC hybrid ship)... so, the thinking is that you (the 2nd) actually go to halo after you (the one in the game) blow it up (but before you - the one from the game - blow it up) and talk to GS 343...


I just read that 5 times. I will now commence reading it 5 more.

Must ponder the space/time continuum.

Must make head stop spinning first.

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 		here's the time line...

you go into halo
you blow up halo
you find artifact on reach
you fly places
artifact causes time loop in slipspace, and now it's before you get to halo
you go to halo and talk to gs343
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darkmoonz wrote:
here's the time line...

you go into halo
you blow up halo
you find artifact on reach
you fly places
artifact causes time loop in slipspace, and now it's before you get to halo
you go to halo and talk to gs343


Thank you. Much better.

From whence does this spec originate? (books, commercials, bungie site, stampede of rabid baboons, etc.)

Edit: spelling

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 		while i like the idea that spec can come from a stampeed of rabid baboons, no... the time warping properties are from the book... the idea of the mc going back to halo... from a crazy, halo-maddened brain... (:
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darkmoonz wrote:
while i like the idea that spec can come from a stampeed of rabid baboons, no... the time warping properties are from the book... the idea of the mc going back to halo... from a crazy, halo-maddened brain... (:


I suppose I'll have to suffer through the bad writing of the books. I'm tired of not knowing this stuff.

Ugh.

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 		just deal with the bad writing... it's really good story...
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Kali wrote:
LordSaryon wrote:
In the first Halo, Master Chief meets up with Guilty Spark, who takes him to the control center of Halo, and tries to convince him to enable it, however, Cortana pops up and basically says no.

What happens is, the flood is a parasitic virus, and to wipe them out, they basically wipe out there food source, US.

So they are not ridding the universe of the flood right off the bat, they are ridding the universe of the flood's food.


Also, I'm pretty sure Guilty Spark is a bit loony, because at one point he talks to MC as though he's someone else. Something like "you asked me before if I would make the same decision". That's why he *wants* to destroy every living sentient creature in the universe, or at least, that's why he believes it's an acceptable solution.

Does anyone remember what exactly he says there and/or post if there's more info from the books about what he meant by it? Feel free to trout me if it's a dumb question. I've been skipping past storyline scenes for a long time, so I don't remember a lot of details.


He considers the Master Chief the "Reclaimer."

Now, there's been a lot of speculation about what in the name of Hellboy that means.

There are essentially two camps. One uselessly pushes the Marathon connection as an overarching importance that foreshadows all things Halo. I do not enjoy this camp, and find them to be trite and wordy.

The second ascertains that while the connection exists, it exists as a means to provide a backdrop, and to spur thought on the matter, not as a tool for which we can predict the course of events in Halo. Marathon is not the equivalent of, say, the Aztec calender that will predict the end of the world.

Supporters of this position have a very specific and clear cut, logical, analysis of 343's comments and the general purpose behind the naming scheme of Halo and its components.

343 is of course, a power of seven. How cute. The "guilty spark" probably has a few literary connotations I don't instantly recall, but their relevance is questionable at most anyway. Basically, the Guilty Spark is the one directly responsible for the initiation of "The Great Purge."

He does this after the "Reclaimer" reunites the "Index" with the "Core."

Why doesn't 343 simply do all this himself? System of checks and balances.

If you build a weapon capable of wiping out all life in the galaxy, and you have intent to use this weapon, possibly more than once, you put safeguards around it so that, at no point, can one entity assume control over the entirety of the weapon and use it at will.

So Halo's firing happens in very specific parts. First, the threat of the flood's escape must be confirmed by the Monirtor. Once it is, the Monitor searches out a warrior to act in the role of "Reclaimer." To the monitor, one reclaimer is absolutely no different, regardless of physical appearance, mental acuity, or effectiveness at his job, than another reclaimer. The reclaimer is there to do just that - Reclaim.

But reclamation carries with it two implications. The first, is the Index. The monitor cannot physically remove the Index. As we know, the Index is essentially the arming Key for Halo, it allows Halo to "fire" and purge the galaxy. I believe it is an Index of star systems, a map of the galaxy that defines the strength, range, and targets of the pulse that destroys all life.

The Reclaimer is also reclaiming the galaxy. By wiping it clean of life, or "at least, any life of sufficient biomass or intellignce to sustain the Flood." you render the galaxy innocent and young again, RECLAIMING it for sane, peacful sentients to evolve from the ashes.

Guilty Spark is most likely referrencing the last time a Reclaimer brought the Index as far as the Core. I think this is supported by this line:

"... Last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do the same? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed...."

So... considerable time to ponder, eh? The phrasing also seems to imply a sort of sardonic tone. "Considerable amount of time..." yeah, 100,000 years is a bit of an understatement for a considerable amount of time, but a few days? That's a considerable overstatment. It just doesn't sound like only a few days to ponder the question, to me.

The last time that would have happened, would have been the First Great Purge... which was probably many thousands of years ago. By my math, if the Halos were fired in the past, it would put the last firing at damn near 65 million years ago.

Lots of people disagree here, which I can understand. In one of the books, "The Flood" to be percise, 343 is quoted as saying Halo was used over 100,000 years ago. Many take this as a dogmatic implication that the last use was precisely 100,000 years ago, but I take issue with that. If that were true, we did awful well for a species that should have been pretty high on the "Make sure you kill it" list, being sentient and of sufficient Biomass to sustain the flood, not only in spore form, but in rare Combat form as well.



But what do I know...

Kali: Which book are you reading that you're getting this "Bad writing" impression?

Fall of Reach is a wonderful fascimile of Ender's Game, and First Strike does a decent job of continuing the style. The only weak point, really, is "The Flood."

... which was just terrible in my opinion. Nylund FAR outdid William C. Dietz in terms of writing.

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TheBiggestSean wrote:
343 is of course, a power of seven.


Not just any power of 7. 7 cubed, i.e. 7*7*7. Just figured that out with my calculator, although I'm sure millions of others have already realized it.

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TheBiggestSean wrote:

Kali: Which book are you reading that you're getting this "Bad writing" impression?

Fall of Reach is a wonderful fascimile of Ender's Game, and First Strike does a decent job of continuing the style. The only weak point, really, is "The Flood."

... which was just terrible in my opinion. Nylund FAR outdid William C. Dietz in terms of writing.


I don't know, I just remember picking up one of the Halo novels while in Barnes&Noble. I made the judgement based on the sentence structure, imagery and spelling I encountered on the first few pages of whichever one I picked up. I understand that a good story can be wrapped in horrible writing, but it makes it very difficult to read. Also, until I came to this forum and heard about how involved the back story is, I had no reason to believe it was anything other than a marketing ploy.

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 		note - an ai thinks a lot faster (read - more things at a time, better) that humans do... a considerable time for them could very well a few days (especially a crazy one)... (:

and nope, no marketing play kali, just more from the good ol' halo bible... (:
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 		aye, but I still feel that "Nylund FAR outdid William C. Dietz in terms of writing" as well Smile but you alsmost have to give dietz a handicap since half his story was already written through the game.

hey cool... you could say I'm doing the same kind of thing Dietz did with my Creepy fiction... Dietz had Halo to go by, but it was an interactive game. So to make a novel out of it, he filled in the blanks, added in scenes and chapters to round out the whole story as a novel.

teehee Cool
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