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[Astald]

Well, the Melissa we have now, isn't like the original Melissa.

[Platonix]

[Nameless Pete]

[thebruce]

Part of me really hopes that the tomorrow's (today's?) clips AREN'T the end, at least not in the sense of wrapping everything up... either for the fact that ilovebees keeps going, or for the fact that Halo 2 will be the continuation... I just don't want to see every question answer on sunday. And moreso, part of me hopes the web-based part of this arg doesn't end happily... make me want to make it end happily, give me more reason to do my best at Halo 2...

[AlexofMaceidon]

heres my theory

Stay with me on this, I'm getting somewhere, but to get there I have to blacktrack to the beginning.

Why did SP call him the Pious Flea?

Pious is a religious affiliation, and thats covie not ONI...

I still don't trust him if he's covie.. and the truth seeking could be because he's Covie Spyware; the Truth he was seeking was information about his enemies... any information that was good for the war effort.

these assumptions fit perfectly with when he got rid of the SPDR. Don't tell me he's a newer SPDR, if that was true it wouldn't have taken him 3 times to get the wording right to get the SPDR deleted by the Op, if he was a real SPDR he wouldn't have needed more then 3 tryies. He tricked the Op into killing the SPDR, and don't ever let anyone tell you different.

But the problems arrise when PF starts HELPING our good guys. What motivation could he possibly have to help them if he's covie. He's suppose to fight them or something, thats how this whole war thing works right?

Unless PF currently has the same mission as Mel, he wants to get to his own time. If Mel gets back to the future (good movie, but irrelevant) I assume PF will be sly enough to sneak along too, thats just his nature. Once he's back, why not send a message to his covie buddies over at reach, giving his current location. EARTH. But to get back, Mel has to be in one piece, so he's been spending his time the last few weeks trying to !attach because he needs to repair Mel to get himself out of here, and to a desent form of communication.

Unfortunately, if I'm right theres nothing we can do about it. [metaly speaking] we if we did, no Halo 2, and then alot of people would be very very angry with us...

As for the artifact, thats why the covies dont' just glass the whole place, they need it back, so MC's mission will probably involve protecting it, after its shut off by our fair heros in ILB.

[TheFishyMan]

The Herzog connection sounds really great, and I've no idea what's going on, but I still think that the Flea is connected to the Artifact. Look at the last Princess-Flea exchange at onceuponatime:

behold the truth
3 2 1
I don't even understand that a little bit.
!3 !2 !1
!BEHOLD
and then what?
analyze Princess
fail
Then what? After I behold? Then what happens?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Flea Speak we've never seen before, and that is a Big Deal. Roni, of course, made the connection to the Artifact that made me feel So. Stupid. 3, 2, 1, : Triangles, Lines, Dots. That's Roni for ya. Always thinking.
It just seems odd to have a bomb floating around in your own territory, some sort of communication station seems more likely. Plus, when the device was first activated, it shut down the chatter net, a communications web.
I think the Artifact is a communications device, rather than a bomb, that is somehow linked to the Flea, both of whom are counting down to the big !reveal. The Freaky part? As far as the Flea is concerned, nothing matters if it happens after that.

That is the law and the whole of the law.

edit: Whee! make_your_decisions.wav!

[Gram]

Not a Covanant virus and not a human spyware program. To many contradictions on either side. The simple answer is who ever made the Flea is unknown to us (or maybe its Forerunner? *shrug).

Whatever motivations this force may have I also don't know. But the Flea seems to be acting towards truth and nothing but the truth. So whoever built it has no fear or disire to participate in the on coming war.

Creepy.

[thebruce]

I don't think the flea was showing any 'emotion' or affection... I think SP's comments were just her intepretation of the flea's commands... we know now that the flea was trying to attach to the princes, probably to help reintegrate the two, not because it 'liked' her... but, as a child would, she read the commands like 'grope' and 'attach' to be kind of emotional advances, and just jokingly made fun of them in a way... humour for us, misunderstanding for her, wasted effort for the flea...

[Nova]

In my mind, just as Melissa is no longer the Rogue Process and the Operator, the seeker is no longer the Flea. That name died with the Sleeping Princess.

[Nova]

It's almost certainly trout, but in relistening to the chapter 5 Herzog stuff now that odd_duck is in there, I noticed a neat little touch:

Standish: Who've you got working on this? One of your moles? Some low-level parasite in someone else's department? Isn't that your standard operating procedure?

Now that's a nifty little clue. It's probably been speculated on before I'm sure, but I wanted to make note of it because it's ... just nifty.

[thebruce]

You know, I honestly think that at least the_labyrinth was meant to remain locked... I recall someone wondering why their axon didn't go live when they did get it unlocked... either way, there was SOOO much info given in that wav that seems like it just would have been too early in the game to reveal... of course, hindsight is always 20-20... we had an awesome speccing time through the game, which flowed, seemingly like the PMs meant it that way... had that wav been unlocked, I'm sure there would have been much less speccing on that level... I dunno, ah well. I choose to believe the_labyrinth was the last intended wav to unlock, at this point. so much Halo (game) reference in there it's not funny, unlike all the neighbouring wavs...

[Phaedra]

[Nova]

[thebruce]

the_labyrinth is the first clip of chapter4 (week4)

[Ceantari]

What I really don't get is this: Beowulf communicating to the Pious Flea.

I mean, doesn't that prove that the Pious Flea is a ONI program? Beowulf is a Class III "smart" AI, mentioned in the novel TFoR and in the infamous Cortana Letters.