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[Lakhesis]

Jeez. Since I brought up this whole copying the DVDs thing, I think I should at least say that, as I understand it, the DVD is a compilation. That's what was stated in Melissa's post. Having it in DVD form would be slightly less problematic than on 3-4 regular CDs.

Anyway - if it's more than that (and the more I think about it, the more this sounds plausible to me), then do not copy the darn thing. It's for crewmembers, or at least people with the knowledge and capability to get to a drop off point with the passcode, and as such should stay with them. The PMs have the right to distribute their gifts as they see fit.

I merely brought the possibility up thinking it was 1. only a compilation and 2. it would ease the burden on Dana and the PMs to get this out to the players that through lack of opportunity (but not wanting), were not able to participate directly in the ARG. I withdraw the suggestion as there is little to no way to guarantee that such a thing wouldn't be mis-used - and that is the last thing that I want.

[mattbox52]

I hate myself

[rose]

about copying

[Gestas]

Just a note to add to what Rose said:

While what you have said is true for most countries (most notably all those holding to the Berne Convention), I believe some countries have copyright laws which allow free copying.

There are certainly some countries that allow legal downloading of copyrighted materials (Canada explicitly, and America implicitly - which is why copyright infringement suits are only taken out against people who have uploaded copyright material without the primary copyright holder's permission).

There is also the fact that we don't know yet how the compilation is being copyrighted. If it is instead "copylefted" or placed under the Creative Commons licence then copying for non-profitable use is actually encouraged
(And as this is effectively part-advertising on the part of the PMs to encourage Halo2 and XBox purchases it may very well be)

So, basically all I'm saying is: We don't know if copying of the DVD compilation is allowed until the PMs tell us So we shouldn't all be jumping the gun here, until we know exactly what the DVD is...

(BTW Rose - I for one add my support to your statement about not judging people by contribution. There are many here (like me ) who have only started into ARGs... and acting with some form of exclusivity might only scare/chase away people who may be potentially wonderful community members in the future.)

[omnistegan]

Well im a canadain as well, been involved in the game since about the beginning of august. Would like nothing more than to have one of the dvd's. I sent dana a note, i dont even expect a reply but i figured i wouldnt get anywhere if i didnt try.

[Mazian]

Gestas,

While I agree with you in spirit, my response (and I won't speak for anyone else who has commented for or against my position) is positioned solely against piracy and the fact that people are already talking about putting up bittorrants and ripping the DVD without any respect to the copyrights.

In the United States (where this material was created and primarily distributed), Copyright is assumed unless specifically declined by some act. (Be it outright saying "This is copyleft or public domain" or more subtly by failing to protect ones copyright.)


If the PMs or creators of this work give this work to the public domain or provide a copyleft, then I'm all for distributing it to anyone who wants it.

Until such time as that can be ascertained one way or another, I will continue to suggest that the discussion should be put on hold or terminated. We'll know tomorrow night, it's really not that much to ask.

[Gestas]

Mazian - Agreed.

I was just being a little ornery

Myself - I've sent an email to the PMs via Dana, but as I've been lurking the entire time and I'm in NZ I don't expect a reply (but you never know unless you try).

I'm just happy that this was such a good ARG to learn on. It really piqued my interest in ARGs in general (I'd heard of The Beast back before AI but didn't get involved), and I'm definitely going to be hanging around for whatever comes next on this forum.

So the way I see it - even just watching from the sidelines it was a great experience, and from next year I expect to be a little more involved (a thesis to get out of the way in the next few months).

But - I and everyone else outside the country demand some details on the training missions when you all get back

[Nova]

[toenolla]

*Sigh*

[Walstib]

[Johmpa]

[Mazian]

[kiro]

Look, I have absolutely no way of getting to a location and although I never registered as a crewmember, I was working with friends on this puzzle since the first day the trailer became available. I don't see why I should miss out on this amazing end to the game just because you're snooty and arrogant and don't feel I have the right to enjoy it if I can't reach a location!

If someone is able to rip the DVD and perhaps make a bit torrent file of it, many of us beekeepers would be able to enjoy it also. If the PM's have some awkward problem with us doing that, I don't really know what to say. I would hope they'd understand that hooking people to a story means that if some of us can't be included in the finale, we'll do everything we can to be a part of it.

[Dragonrider]

Oh good lord. For the last time, go back to ILB's main page, click on Dana's link and follow her directions. Anyone who wants a DVD should be able to get one! Just follow the rules!

[TridenT]