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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!

Oh this makes me so happy. Oh god how I hate that stupid battle rifle/plasma pistol combo. Oh, I can't even say here how much I love Bungie for this.


Yeah, but what about the people that love to use the Needler on those boards? No more pink porcupine lovin'..... Sad
No more "I have Needlers! Fear Me!" Sad[/quote]

As far as I'm concerned, that's a small price to pay.

I realize they can't get rid of the combo, because taking down the shields is what the plasma pistol is for, and the BR can't really be downgraded. So the only option is to take it out completely, by not putting them on the same maps.

Sure, it's annoying. I'm gonna miss dual wielding SMG's and Plasma Rifles. But honestly, that combo has just about made me want to quit some games. I think it's just WAY too easy to abuse, and there's NO defense against it. If you get hit with the plasma pistol shot, all it takes is a stray bullet. And that's just absurd.

So yeah. I'm sorry for your needler loss. But there will be other needlers, on other maps, in other games.
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INCyr wrote:

So yeah. I'm sorry for your needler loss. But there will be other needlers, on other maps, in other games.


Yeah but in those other maps, and other games there will also be the PP/BR combo, so we're back to square one.
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INCyr wrote:

So yeah. I'm sorry for your needler loss. But there will be other needlers, on other maps, in other games.


Yeah but in those other maps, and other games there will also be the PP/BR combo, so we're back to square one.


Yeah, we are.

Unfortunately, there are two things that make this not-so-good.

1) It's ONLY being taken out for SLAYER games. That means that you can still pwn people with that f***ing combo in CTF/Assault/KotH/etc. games.

2) Those are 2 maps out of... how many? It doesn't take it out on Ivory Tower, Burial mounds, Ascension, or any of the other maps. So you'll get your needlers probably 95% of the time, and I'll get pwned by that f***ing combo 95% of the time.

It's a start. But it's only a start.
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INCyr wrote:

1) It's ONLY being taken out for SLAYER games. That means that you can still pwn people with that f***ing combo in CTF/Assault/KotH/etc. games.


I have problems with this too. If you're going to take it out of one game type then it should be taken out of all game types for consistancy.

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2) Those are 2 maps out of... how many? It doesn't take it out on Ivory Tower, Burial mounds, Ascension, or any of the other maps. So you'll get your needlers probably 95% of the time, and I'll get pwned by that f***ing combo 95% of the time.


I know why these two maps were chosen, because I regularly tried to use it. (I say tried because my sucky internet connection usually gets me killed before I get a chance to use the combo).
Because of the close proximity to which both of the PP and BR spawn on Battle Creek and Collusus, the combo is a lot more prominant to occur on these maps. You can get the combo within 5 seconds of picking up either one. For the other maps the PP and BR are not close to each other and the probablity of someone picking both of them up is a lot less.
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 		I don't share all this hate for the PP/BR combo! I see it as a valid combo. Yes, it's a bit overpowerful, but it's not useful against multiple targets. I'll be the first to admit that I use it, but I'm not that efficient with it.

Burial Mounds is a good place to use it, other than Beaver and Colossus. You can get both guns pretty easily on Burial Mounds.
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I don't share all this hate for the PP/BR combo! I see it as a valid combo. Yes, it's a bit overpowerful, but it's not useful against multiple targets. I'll be the first to admit that I use it, but I'm not that efficient with it.

Burial Mounds is a good place to use it, other than Beaver and Colossus. You can get both guns pretty easily on Burial Mounds.
I feel it's entirely valid. Back when I was till skull hunting I figured out that it was immensely useful for taking out individuals very quickly, so I incorporated it into my multiplayer game. If people hit me with it and I die, good on them. I honestly don't see a problem with Plasma Pistol/Battle Rifle, so long as the player is capable of doing something else as well. Just like Sniping. Nobody likes a one-trick pony.

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 		I also used it a few times but I didn't like how everyones strat was baced on that combo. The one thing I HATE is when you use the pp/magnum or pp/smg and every one calls it
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I mean its not the only thing anyone can use. I will like that it is gone. The game will be alot better with it out.

Anouther thing I can't stand is when you go in to matchmaking by your self and you get guys that yell at you or just complain about how a strat didn't work or how they did this "sweet snipe" (ex. jumping and sniping at the same time) that isn't as amazing as the make it out to be. I just hate people who think and say how they are better then you when the didn't do much, lost the game, or used a strat that used only the one sniper to win (which is risky) and they were the sniper giving you no chance to do anything but die so he could kill. It's not fun. It's nice to have a good sniper(other than myself) who doesn't thing the match is only able to be won if they do all the work cus they have the gun to do it. A sniper is a support tool not a game winning super weapon. I'll say it again. The sniper is a support tool not a problem solving super weapon! If they have the object and the sniper can't do anything its not their falt. On the other extreme. If the sniper does every thing it's no fun FOR ANYONE! It may seem fun to mow 3 guys going after the flag/flag carryer. It's not! If you fail and you used a strat that only uses the sniper to do everything then you get all the blame and you deserve it. I have done this afew times. You hate it when I snipe because of it. So I stopped.

I don't think that any of this aplys to any off you but maybe Mutant that one time, me, Matt, and every noob you get pared up with in matchmaking.
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 		I still love the plasma pistol. I'll look for it on maps/games where it still appears. I'm not as crazy about the needlers, since I always seem to get killed by the time I empty them. So, with the plasma pistol combos gone, what will be the new ruling combination? BR / SMG? DW SMG / pistol? BR and whatever else is handy? Will the snipers and rocket launchers rule the battlefield?
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Clayfoot wrote:
I still love the plasma pistol. I'll look for it on maps/games where it still appears. I'm not as crazy about the needlers, since I always seem to get killed by the time I empty them. So, with the plasma pistol combos gone, what will be the new ruling combination? BR / SMG? DW SMG / pistol? BR and whatever else is handy? Will the snipers and rocket launchers rule the battlefield?
You mean they don't already?

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 		It seems that everyone has a valid opinion on this topic of BR/PP combo...

Personally, I don't like it. Mainly because of the fact the user is normally a kid who can only use the combo and then bad mouths you when you die and this proceds to corpse-hump you afterward...(makes me wonder if they are closet necrophiles...hmmm)

Have I used the combo? Yes.
Do I like the combo? No.

I understand that the goal is to get your opponent before he gets you. If your opponent is of a higher skill than you, fine. I can accept that. But, if all they are using is a combo, then that is where I have a problem.

Legitimate tactics are one thing...example: Vash, Mutant, Zorplex, Twisted are all great with a sniper rifle. We love to have them with us in Matchmaking but hate playing against them in Custom. Not that they are bad players but, in their little niche they are very good. Yes, I concur, that at times they are extremely annoying because of their skill but, you have to admit that sometimes we would like to have that skill ourselves. I know I would.

Using a combo is another...there is no real skill involved in using it. You just have to learn HOW to use it. Example: Using a BR/PP combo by shooting the BR first to drop the shields then using the PP to finish off the target doesn't work as well as the other way.

any ho...I seem to have gone longer than I expected on this and will shut up now...

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 		All this dealings to reduce the effectiveness of on combo an yet the sniper rifle remains entirely too powerful. The pp/br combo was one of the last combos I had to combat a sniper at the midrange. Now I guess I just hope for a really lucky sticky...oh wait no covie weapons. This should be fun.
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Using a combo is another...there is no real skill involved in using it. You just have to learn HOW to use it.

Well, I don't agree with this. To kill with 1 shot, you need a headshot after the charged PP. It requires skill. Now I understand that you can kill with body shots after the PP, but it requires more shots (don't know how many though).

Now, my question is this. Do you think PP/SMG or PP/Magnum is a "cheap" or "no-skill" combo? Because if you do, then you're totally against the PP, no matter how it's used. PP/SMG or PP/Magnum has been around longer than PP/BR and it was never considered cheap. To be honest, I think all of them are valid combos, even though they are a bit overpowered.

One solution to this problem is to have the PP bolt losing its strength the further it travels. So, if you use against somebody at the other side of the map, the bolt doesn't even get there! For mid-range, it takes 1/2 or 2/3 of the oponent's shield and short-range removes the full shield like it is now ... This should balance the combo while still making it very useful.
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Now, my question is this. Do you think PP/SMG or PP/Magnum is a "cheap" or "no-skill" combo? Because if you do, then you're totally against the PP, no matter how it's used. PP/SMG or PP/Magnum has been around longer than PP/BR and it was never considered cheap. To be honest, I think all of them are valid combos, even though they are a bit overpowered.


No. But the reason why is it's MUCH easier to get a head shot, especially at medium range, with the BR than it is to get a headshot with the Magnum or the SMG. Especially now that the Magnums auto-assist has been decreased even more.

Sure, its' possible. But it's much more liekly you'll miss a head shot with the magnum than it is with the BR. Simply because the BR fires a 3-4 shot burst, within a error field, and it's much easier to get 1 of those to tag someones head than it is to get a magnum's single shot to hit.

And the SMG.... yeah, Medium range that thing can't hit a barn wall.

So now the question becomes... can do you the same thing with the PP/Carbine? Anyone know?
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 		Check the BR accuracy video I posted somewhere on this thread. After the update, BR is dead accurate! There's no spread anymore and all 3 shots go on the same spot!

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So now the question becomes... can do you the same thing with the PP/Carbine? Anyone know?

You can. Some people use it on Burial Mounds and Midship.


And what did you think of my proposed solution?
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 		PP/Carbine works peachy. It's harder to get a headshot without the BR spread, but you can still do it. I prefer the carbine if I don't have a PP.

And I don't know why everyone is whining about it. Use it yourself if it's there, there's no reason not to. It still loses out close range to SMG/Plasma Rifle, and as long as you don't get into the open you're alright.
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