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[Tiny]

Actually, whenever we offered you the sniper rifle, it was becuase you were good at it, not because you were being a one trick pony. Stick with what your great at, except Vash, who really is a sniper whore. Though I'll give him that he's great with stickies and a few other things. *Flashback, except pg rated* "Holy crap how the hell did you just land that nade?!?!?"
Tj-

[krystyn]

Waters, no one's really arguing that these are not valuable strategies with their own pitfalls and quirks ... in matchmaking. There's just a few of us here expressing frustration with these tactics, and feeling a little like it goes against a certain modicum of respect for more casual custom gaming.

You'll notice I am not requiring anyone to change, and I really wouldn't want there to be any 'rules', per se, for that is surely the way to madness ... but sometimes I think I need to be clear about how I am feeling about certain behaviors I am seeing, because I'd rather reach a compromise than just close myself off in little private games.

Variety is the spice of life. The re-spawn screen? Not so spicy.

Do you see my angst? It's shaped like a red X, and hovers a few feet above the brain pate' that used to be my head.

[krystyn]

angst is a red X
my head has been opened up
snow falls on branches

[water10]

[CoffeeJedi]

[VMVash]

[krystyn]

Vash, I wouldn't know. Honestly, I only ever really see you snipe. Even then, I don't really SEE it, because I am re-spawning.

[ubercado]

What ever happened to "just have fun" ?

I think that all of us need to just use a bit of common courtesy when playing with friends. If you are exceptional at a certain thing, forgo it for the sake of fun. We all know who are better at certain things than others. Just use a bit of common sense is all that I believe people are saying. We play custom to have fun...not really to be competitive. Yes, we do get that way at times but, all and all custom is to have fun with.

Have the urge to completely dominate someone? Play Matchmaking. That is what it is there for.

Have the urge to just play for the skae of fun? Play a custom.

I know that I am probably one of the worst players out there, heck...look at the number of games I have played in big team and I am only a level 10, so I am not trying to be all high and mighty but, I play with everyone here because I enjoy everyones company and I have fun while doing it.

Spawn camping, while a legitimate tatic in matchmaking, is annoying when you are supposed to be playing a friendly game. Running after the object in question (the flag or andy) and killing the carrier is one thing but to run straight to the other base and dispatching everyone who spawns without the object present is not fun in a custom game.

Defending is one thing, not giving the others a chance is another.

To sum up:

Wanna be a #@$!? play matchmaking

Wanna have some fun? play custom

I now give the soapbox to someone else....

(Edit - can't spell today...)

[Grifter_7]

[Clayfoot]

The Unauthorized Guide does make a point of listing etiquette rules. One of them does rule out spawn camping. It's different if the enemy is within reach of capturing the flag, and you're killing everyone you can see to keep them from getting it. When I'm a defender on Zanzibar, and I grab a discarded ghost to strafe the beach, that's a no-no.

Here's the problem: the attackers are allowed to spawn kill if they can. The attackers must clear the base enough to get the bomb in or the flag out. If they can kill every single defender before the defender fires a shot, that's best case. Under the "no spawn killing" rule, the defenders can't return the favor. The defenders can't lock down the attackers; they have to wait for the attackers to get a certain distance from the base. It gets murkier during neutral bomb games, when the attackers and defenders change roles, depending on the tide of the game. When your team has the bomb, you're doing your duty to lock down the enemy base. When your team doesn't have the bomb, you're a dirty, rotten spawn camper.

I actually like the "no spawn killing" rule, but I could use some guidance on how far I should let the spawners get before I try to kill them.

[vector]

[VMVash]

How hard is it follow the rules DON'T CAMP and DON'T SPAWN KILL. That and the combo are the only things that bother me. By combo I only mean the pp/br combo not the pp pared with anything other than its self.
The only time I spawn kill is with ctf/assalt on coag.

[vector]

[VMVash]

If you notice I said that the pp/br bothers me not that you can't or shouldn't
use it.

[water10]