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[OT] Survey...Who should do an ARG?
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johnny5
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Phaedra wrote:
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Hmm. That brings me to a curious thought I had while reading Jane's paper. Which I don't have time to elaborate upon at the moment, since I just *actually got something to do at work*!!! Later.


And later has arrived.

Jane describes a situation in the Beast in which the PMs slipped up (well, actually an actor got too flustered to deliver a crucial piece of information). The players solved the problem themselves before the PMs had time to react. Jane notes that:

Two months into the game, players were taking on increasing responsibility for their own immersive experience, leaving the game designers out of the problem-solving loop.

This led me to wonder if, in the future, we might not see a non-professionally produced ARG that is self-perpetuating; players that are involved and experienced enough taking control and essentially becoming PMs, then handing off that position to successors.

thebruce's comment that some mmorpg players essentially became like PMs suggests that it's already happening in the mmorpg world; I wonder if it will someday translate to ARGs.


The problem with this is that, because it's "Alternative" reality, the potential for abuse is high when there is no central control. Refer to HHM's payphone letter scenario for a recent example. Of course, she had sense enough to ignore it as it was not consistent with the rest of the game, but in a free-flow player defined experience, it might not be so obvious. Tragedy ensues.


Phaedra wrote:

So, because I'm bored...


Inconceivable.

--john--

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Inconceivable.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
EDIT: What the heck was I thinking?! Dunce
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gkrohne wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Inconceivable.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
krystyn wrote:
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Ack! I withdraw my comment, or this will get so OT...!
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 		Personally, I think movie promo's are really ideally situated for an ARG.

If you think about it, you play the backstory in the ARG, then wrap things up nicely with the movie. Yes, I know, AI/The Beast, its been done. But there are many movies that could do this so well, and with the money that is already spent promoting new movies, an ARG would just be a drop in the bucket.


The movie is already long out, but I think an ARG based on "Memento" would have been great.
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 		Interesting resonance with the "educational" part of ARGs. As fallout from my Enkidu story I've heard tell of students cornering teachers after school in order to sweat out more details on Babylonian myth and string theory. (Yeah, eclectic mix. What can I say? Very Happy ) They were that eager to get a "solve".

I think ARGs could be a VERY powerful teaching tool, but you'll have to be very careful with the setup to make sure that things stay within the parameters of your material.

-- Steve had some nightmare visions during Enkidu of it spinning out of control. From his limited experience, PMing is probably a good weight-loss program.
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johnny_Nitro wrote:
The problem with this is that, because it's "Alternative" reality, the potential for abuse is high when there is no central control. Refer to HHM's payphone letter scenario for a recent example. Of course, she had sense enough to ignore it as it was not consistent with the rest of the game, but in a free-flow player defined experience, it might not be so obvious. Tragedy ensues.


Oh, I'm not saying it's necessarily a Good Thing, something that we *want* to happen. I'm just wondering if it might happen.

johnny_Nitro wrote:
Phaedra wrote:

So, because I'm bored...

Inconceivable.


If only.
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gkrohne wrote:
gkrohne wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Inconceivable.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
krystyn wrote:
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Ack! I withdraw my comment, or this will get so OT...!


LOL. Nah, it's like Monty Python. You can have it going at the same time as a topic, sort of like a twisted commentary.

Oooh. Just noticed that this is post #666. Mwahaha.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
Interesting resonance with the "educational" part of ARGs. As fallout from my Enkidu story I've heard tell of students cornering teachers after school in order to sweat out more details on Babylonian myth and string theory. (Yeah, eclectic mix. What can I say? Very Happy ) They were that eager to get a "solve".

I think ARGs could be a VERY powerful teaching tool, but you'll have to be very careful with the setup to make sure that things stay within the parameters of your material.

-- Steve had some nightmare visions during Enkidu of it spinning out of control. From his limited experience, PMing is probably a good weight-loss program.


You did Enkidu?
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angelo wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
-- Steve had some nightmare visions during Enkidu of it spinning out of control. From his limited experience, PMing is probably a good weight-loss program.


You did Enkidu?

Ooh. I thought everybody knew by now. Yes, that was me.

-- Steve's wracking his brain for a possible next project, but they all seem so pale in comparison so far.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
angelo wrote:
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-- Steve had some nightmare visions during Enkidu of it spinning out of control. From his limited experience, PMing is probably a good weight-loss program.


You did Enkidu?

Ooh. I thought everybody knew by now. Yes, that was me.

-- Steve's wracking his brain for a possible next project, but they all seem so pale in comparison so far.


Daaaammmmnnnn...

I followed that as well and was rather impressed. Excellent piece of work.
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asute_falcon wrote:
Yeah, a Star Wars ARG would be interesting to see, if pulled off correctly. Other than that... Hmm.


Interesting idea considering that Beast and ILB PM, Sean Stewart, has a Star Wars novel coming out.

I would imagine that it will be good based on his other excellent works (which are not tied to any other's universe). I especially recommend Perfect Circle (his latest), Mockingbird, Galveston, and Passion Play, but only because I haven't read his others yet!
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 		I think that Apple Computer is a good candidate for an ARG. How about one leading up to release of their next novel product. Think if there had been an ARG that was a mystery that finally led to discovering the iPod right as it was released. Think of the swag possibilities!!!

This doesn't seem that far-fetched because apple and its advertising agency, TBWA \ Chiat \ Day are certainly into novel ways to generate buzz for a product. Just look again at the Apple 1984 Commercial. Imagine an ARG based on the world in that advertisement!

Apple also have the bucks and web know-how to provide the kind of support that excellent PM's *cough* 4orty *cough* 2wo *cough* would deserve.

This is something that I would like to see. It's just I have to get these teo papers out, and a grant submitted, and 217 students are enrolled in my Winter quarter class...[/sup]
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 		I was an Enkidu fan too, but when I found out that it wasn't official Bungie (not that it surprised me), my head asplode-ed.

Enkidu turned out to be better written than Halo 2, they should give you a job.

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Arana wrote:
I think that Apple Computer is a good candidate for an ARG.


When you said that, instead of modern Apple, I thought of old Apple II adventure games Wink

That would be a good theme for an ARG... or maybe Peasant's Quest...

"Attention Peasant! You have 3 hours until burnination. You have no chance to survive make your time."

(click click click) "Insert disk 2" (click click click)

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