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RobMagus
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[EMAIL] Pi

*sighs* Well, I don't know what the hell to make of this.

I got an email from an "alexander1701@hotmail.com" :

Quote:
Subject: kf8 wr8

9099, c7i n7iezg 790 6v 6ly4d f1y2. mdw2l 0v 4109g16m12y, btt mzyx.


A follow-up email asking what this was for got this response:

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Subject: RE: kf8 wr8

Of course, you can still say it's a game... just remember that you don't really believe it. Your intuition says that pi is somehow involved.

Good Luck. This one is truly and remarkably evil.


I figure that the digits of pi are used as a key, but I really don't know what to do with this and furthermore have no idea what this is for.

So yeah. I submit this for your consideration.
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SkaterAl
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I don't know if this will help, but I reverse checked his e-mail address, and the name listed is:

first name: Ander
last name: Alex

So, maybe a clue that the code is reversed in some way?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:17 pm
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Ciaran_H
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A few different interpretations of the code, in case it helps anybody else. Punctuation has been preserved in relation to the position of the word it comes after.

Original:
9099, c7i n7iezg 790 6v 6ly4d f1y2. mdw2l 0v 4109g16m12y, btt mzyx.

Original split up into lengths of pi:
909, 9 c7in 7 iezg7 906v6ly4d f1. y2mdw2 l0v41 09g, 16m12 ybttmzyx.

Original reversed:
xyzm, ttb y21m61g9014 v0 l2wdm 2y1f d4yl6. v6 097 gzei7n, i7c 9909.

Original reversed and split into lengths of pi:
xyz, m ttby 2 1m61g 9014v0l2w dm. 2y1fd4 yl6v6 097, gzei7 ni7c9909.

When I split it into lengths of pi, the last word has 8 characters, not 9, so splitting it up like that is possibly a red herring. Hope this helps somebody... I can't make anything of it at the moment, but then it's getting late here...

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SkaterAl
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for the two words with two letters (6v and 0v), the "v" should be the same letter. Some common two letter words that could work are listed below:

as-is
as-us
is-us

an-in
an-on
in-on

at-it

do-go
do-to
go-to

if-of

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RobMagus
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Well... what if the digits of pi are being used to indicate how far to ROT the text?

Then the "v"s wouldn't necessarily have to stand for the same thing.

Also, if the ROTing key were 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ, then the digits in the ciphertext could be accounted for.

I tried this specific one on the subject and got gibberish, but it seems like an idea we can work with.

Thoughts?
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SkaterAl
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something of interest, but I don't know if it is relevent to solving the code:

If you take the kf8 from the subject, without using the 8, if you ROT-12 it, you get "w" and "r", which are the letters of the next word, and if you ROT-14 wr, you get kf.

Ideas on this or is it junk?

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RobMagus
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A response from Alexander.

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Subject : Re: kf8 wr8

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8178

Quit it. They'll see.



Well. Looks like someone's scouring the boards. Hopefully he'll realise that this is bad form.

In any case, this thing is getting on my nerves. I still think it has to do with ROTing according to digits of pi...
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Reply!

Quote:
Subject : Life, the Universe, and Everything

zeeh vkduhqb. juxhi je. uou aqd xotu. Tyiiq juij. Ie vqh, zeeh dej muhjx jux u vehj.


Interesting reference to Hitchhiker's Guide. I sent an answer to "Life, the Universe, and Everything". It was, of course, "42".

As for the email body:

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It's ROT-10. "joor funeral. tehrs to. eye kan hyde. Dissa test. So far, joor not werth teh e fort."

Bloody 13375933k.... Well. Perhaps those numbers in the first message are actually letters.


Now we've got something to work with.
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RobMagus
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And a reply to 42. Seems that Alexander is on right now.

Quote:
Seems you know all the answers. Now why isn't that useful?

Figured it out?


There's an attachement: a black and white picture of what appears to be a black fedora. It's named black_hats.jpg.

Lord, I hope it's not stegged.

Anyone know the significance of black hats?

EDIT: Anyone know how to attach pictures?

EDITED EDIT: Apparently that feature has been disabled. Gr.
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RobMagus
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Here's the picture.

http://www.bradthegame.com/jones/black-hat.jpg

It's a jones soda label.

I wish I could put the picture from the email up so people could play with it and steg.

The two pictures appear to be the same, at least visually.
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Having already shown a knowledge of 1337, black hats is most likely refering to the kind of people who like to break into and do malicious things to other people's computers. For a better definition check out this entry in the jargon file http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/black-hat.html

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RobMagus wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It's ROT-10. "joor funeral. tehrs to. eye kan hyde. Dissa test. So far, joor not werth teh e fort."

Bloody 13375933k.... Well. Perhaps those numbers in the first message are actually letters.


Um... that looks more like a phonetic spelling than it does l33t-speak. L33t-speak looks nothing like that normally.

In any case, in readable English:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Your funeral. Theirs too. I can hide. This is a test. So far, you're not worth the effort.


Maybe phonetic spelling has something to do with the other messages too? So they might actually be encoding these phonetic spellings rather than the words themselves?

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Sounds reasonable to me.

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RobMagus wrote:
Reply!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It's ROT-10. "joor funeral. tehrs to. eye kan hyde. Dissa test. So far, joor not werth teh e fort."

Bloody 13375933k.... Well. Perhaps those numbers in the first message are actually letters.




Huh, sounds more like Jar-Jar Binks-speak then l33tsp34k... Very Happy
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Okay, so I'm not up-and-up on my leetspeek. :j

Any other ideas on the first email?
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