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[solved] The Fourth Key
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Kozu
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 		like this?


Yeah, I guess it would be enough of a puzzle itself. Finding the translator and all. At the gate, we overdid it, and it took us mouch longer than we thought. But I don't want to jump the gun here, either.
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Kozu wrote:
like this?

Yeah, I guess it would be enough of a puzzle itself. Finding the translator and all. At the gate, we overdid it, and it took us mouch longer than we thought. But I don't want to jump the gun here, either.


Exactly. I had just finished the diagram below as my answer when I saw that you had posted yours. Maybe I looked too deep into this one.


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 		Filenames
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FYI (and for what it's worth) the image name ROT-13 decodes to alphabetofwaset1jb.


Hi there,

Im new to this and i'm sorry for my bad english. I wondered if there are some more clues about the fourth key within the filenames of the pictures? The one quoted above ended with "1jb". Furthermore only the PNG-files have those "added" characters:


key13gr.png
key37hu.png
nycunorgbsjnfrg1wo.png[/b]

Maybe this is totally nonsense. Maybe it will help?

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 		Re: [Puzzle] The Fourth Key
zephret wrote:


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This visual puzzle is an arcane sigil to our ancestors, and all Acolytes are required to complete it.




Sounds like we just need to complete the visual puzzle, from what this says. But other than that, I have no idea of what else needs to be solved.
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 		The Twelve respond to my latest contact
I sent the Twelve a message showing the decoded Theban. Here is their response to me:

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If you are collaborating on this with other Acolytes, this may be a vital piece of information for you all;

The characters weren't placed in twos for no reason.

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 		Has everyone given up? Sad

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 		I just found this today so I have not given up yet. I thought for a second that the letter pairs were standard country names. Mainly because ch is Switzerland ( example www.cern.ch ). But then I thought why would that matter?

-- edit:

I found a list of the ISO-3166 name list here but the only mach was CH for switzerland (knew that) and AD for andorra. No other matches. So that didn't give us much.

Edit 2:
..But this isn't very ancient is it? Embarassed
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Neanderthal wrote:
I found a list of the ISO-3166 name list here but the only mach was CH for switzerland (knew that) and AD for andorra. No other matches. So that didn't give us much.


Maybe the letters relate to numbers?

c h
m e
l e
a d
r a

As I understand it, the "Theban alphabet" is not actually a script associated with a particular language -- its first known appearance was in a Latin text, and it's more of a code than an actual system of writing.

Nevertheless, in some languages (well, actually Semitic languages are the only ones I can think of) letters double as numbers. I nosed around a bit, and I don't see any information on symbols for numerals, so either one uses normal Arabic numerals with the Theban alphabet, or the letters double as numbers.

Except for the doubling of i/j and u/v, it corresponds exactly to the English alphabet. So, if a=1 and so on, we end up with:

3 8
12 5
11 5
1 4
17 1

Do these numbers mean anything to anyone?

Otherwise, the symbols look familiar to me, even though I have no reason to know "Theban." I think they might be alchemical or astrological or something along those lines.

Perhaps the pairings have alchemical/astrological significance?

EDIT: Aha. The Theban symbol for S closely resembles the alchemical symbol for bismuth. I'll poke around a bit more.

EDIT: Theban O = alchemical sign for "separation," which is also the Zodiac sign for Scorpio.

The symbols for B and U/V and W almost look more like runes.

EDIT: Nah, this is too complicated.
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 		I was getting desperate, then I got an idea
Since I was coming up blank, I asked Jake for help. His reply is below:

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Hello, friend.

All is well. I'm still undercover, yet I fear something dreadful has happened. I will update everyone once i get some concrete facts.

As to the puzzle, it's one of the Cult's games, but I don't think it's as complicated as you may think. I can't tell you the answer directly, (to be honest, I never passed the Second Key myself) but all I sniffed out is that you place the 5 pairs of symbols on the arms of the pentagram. In what order, I'm not so sure.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.


Jake


Which is kind of what I figured. Based on this, I think I may try another shot at sending an answer to the Twelve.
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 		Can someone post a picture of the puzzle -- or at least the pentagram -- for those of us who aren't familiar with LiveJournal.
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 		Here it is:



Here is a more general question, on their livejournal site the12 say:

Quote:
... Send your answer to the usual address.


what is this usual address?
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Neanderthal wrote:
what is this usual address?


I think it's mynameisjakeSPLATgmail.com but I may be mistaken.
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 		nah, I think it is adramelechisrisingSPLATgmail.com (at least that is the12's email address)

But then I could also be mistaken Shocked
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 		Well, I think you are less mistaken than I am. At least I now know where to send my puzzle solve attempts now. Very Happy
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 		I sent the12 my solution idea yesterday, here is what it lokked like:



you should be able to see how I ordered the letter pairs (from the top rigt, 1,3,5,2,4). EDIT:whoops, the order I sent was 1,4,2,5,3.
Then just now I got a reply from the12 that said:
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Adramelech sees your efforts and applauds them. He is greatly amused.

He offers his assistance, but has told us this will come to you at a
greater price later in time.

Be thankful, young Acolyte.
they also sent a pic:
http://www.nonsenz.net/myndir/arg/solutionAnswer1.gif


hmm.. this appears to be moving in the right direction(I hope Shocked )

EDIT2: I sent the solution like I said I had done it (from the top rigt, 1,3,5,2,4)
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