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Munchkin
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Olorin wrote:
Yeah, even 'Perplex' comes from the latin (I think)
You're right.
Perplex - from the latin "perplexus" - meaning involved. (actually this may already have been posted.)
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:31 pm
thebruce
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interesting... if languages are evolving over time, and we can assume that because they speak english they must have had latin, then is it safe to say that our english and theirs may still slightly differ? If we arrive at words in our modern day through specific events or discoveries and such, might it be possible that some words, scientific or slang or some such, may be slightly different?
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:07 am
Rei
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e pi G (big g) are all universal constants (and there are many more) that i would expect to find the same in their universe and ours.
This universe is the only one that could exist, any small variation would have made it collapse or expand so much it would not exist today.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:12 pm
firefox
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except they would probably have zeller's 3rd law of motion, or adamek's gravitational constal or gosh knows what. of course if say a banana were to have fallen on zeller's head, instead of our newtonian apple, well god knows what physics laws they have, or what path their history has taken. here's to hoping the pm's have cooked up an engaging and immersive story (which we know they have ) which will explain everything tiny little detail we have poured over.
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:20 pm
Rei
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Cmon Newton wasnt actually hit on the head by an apple...
besides if we want to argue this (i dont, but ignore that) i expect that in a different universe they will have different plants as the enviroment is different... i expect their naming system is different (only its not, da da daaa)
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:30 pm
Sasuntsi Davit
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Rei wrote:
e pi G (big g) are all universal constants (and there are many more) that i would expect to find the same in their universe and ours.
This universe is the only one that could exist, any small variation would have made it collapse or expand so much it would not exist today.
you forgot planks contstant and that other guys constant who i refuse to name (I also forgot his name, but anyway), because he just got two constants divided one by the other and called it his own constant, bleddy fool.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:41 pm
Rei
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Yeah i did mention that there were loads of others...
your just jelous... but i think the best constant is Hubbles, which err isnt.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:59 pm
Sasuntsi Davit
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Rei wrote:
Yeah i did mention that there were loads of others...
your just jelous... but i think the best constant is Hubbles, which err isnt.
yeah, that one is funny... a non constant constant.
i think it might belong to the oxymoron list
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:12 pm
djrazz
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if you stare long enough at anything you can find contants (patterns)
put your tv on antenna and watch static for an hour or so you will probably be more entertained than watchin REALITY TV
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:21 pm
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Phaedra wrote:
Well, quaerere initium sapientiae means "to seek the beginning of wisdom," if that helps.
Olorin wrote:
"To ask is the beginning of knowledge", assuming there was an implicit "est"
(as in "quaerere initium sapientiae [est]") which is often omitted in high latin, but both translations could fit, since the one part of the sentence we are missing is, indeed, the verb (which is where you start from to translate latin ).
Also, one of the other sites translated it best as
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quaerere initium sapientiae
"Acquisition is the beginning of knowledge"
Whichever way, the meaning seems to be that the fundamental mantra of the Academy is discovery & research. Hope this helps.
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:19 pm
Violet
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Hiya,
Help!!!
I tried really hard to translate the "quaerere initium sapientiae", and all I have come up with is that "sapientiae" is either Wisdom or Philosopher/s. 'sapientia' is the word for wisdom, so I think whoever wrote the moto tried to pluralise it. However, still can't translate "quaerere' as I would've thought it would have to be "quaero" or "quaerito" - the infinitive of the verb to 'seek'. If you conjugate the verb in the voice it looks to be in the motto, you don't get the ending 'ere' at all, even if you change the tense.
Basically now I'm stuck on 'nihil obstat scientia' for much the same reasons - it doesn't seem to make sense, as though someone translated literally using a Latin-English dictionary.
Any help would be appreciated, you all seem to know heaps more than me as I'm a poor little new person!
Ta x
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:33 am
Seej
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Violet wrote:
I tried really hard to translate the "quaerere initium sapientiae", and all I have come up with is that "sapientiae" is either Wisdom or Philosopher/s. 'sapientia' is the word for wisdom, so I think whoever wrote the moto tried to pluralise it. However, still can't translate "quaerere' as I would've thought it would have to be "quaero" or "quaerito" - the infinitive of the verb to 'seek'. If you conjugate the verb in the voice it looks to be in the motto, you don't get the ending 'ere' at all, even if you change the tense.
The translations in maxim's post (right above yours) pretty much give us the gist of what it means.
Violet wrote:
Basically now I'm stuck on 'nihil obstat scientia' for much the same reasons - it doesn't seem to make sense, as though someone translated literally using a Latin-English dictionary.
IIRC, it was something like 'nothing stands in the way of knowledge'. And perhaps it was a slightly rushed translation, which is why you might be having trouble with it
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:10 am
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Violet wrote:
Basically now I'm stuck on 'nihil obstat scientia' for much the same reasons - it doesn't seem to make sense, as though someone translated literally using a Latin-English dictionary.
Most of the translation efforts for this bit seem to be concentrated in this thread , starting about here . You can also try to do a search on "nihil obstat scientia" - once in search, make sure that your results are displayed as posts (although I think that's the default now), and run the search only in the "ARG: Perplex City" forum
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:27 am
Violet
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Cheers me dears,
Was wondering whether this meant the letters used in the Latin had to correspond to something, or be part of a code, but still look like Latin?
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:11 pm
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I think the only way to do what I assume your trying to do would be as an acrostic and its not long enough to be that.
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