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L.Boomer
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 		Time to Archive Haunted Apiary ?
Ok I know I am probably setting myself up for a bunch of not so friendly replies, but I will proceed anyways.

Is it not time to maybe Archive the Haunted Apiary boards. The last time I checked, it has turned into a console game discussion rather than being about ARG's.
I love Halo, and I am glad we have had so many new folks brought to our community by this ARG, but I was under the impression that we are about ARG's not who got fragged last night by a plasma grenade.

Just my piddly two cents worth.
Let the comments begin!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:20 pm
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Phaedra
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 		Re: Time to Archive Haunted Apiary ?
surferstick wrote:
Ok I know I am probably setting myself up for a bunch of not so friendly replies, but I will proceed anyways.


Oh, are you ever, sweetums.

I noticed your little post in our forum as well. (Charming, that the first time you show up in our forum is to announce that you think it should be shut down.)

Wow. For the first time, in my 776 posts, I was tempted to use highly impolite language.

Frankly, it's none of your business. Are you an administrator, or a moderator? No? Then if you don't like the beekeeper community, BUTT OUT.

No one's forcing you to visit the Haunted Apiary forums, and the mere fact that you don't like the idea that it's still active is not a compelling reason, and it certainly doesn't trump our interests in keeping it active.

surferstick wrote:
Is it not time to maybe Archive the Haunted Apiary boards. The last time I checked, it has turned into a console game discussion rather than being about ARG's.


Then you're not paying attention. The Haunted Apiary forum consists of multiple categories. One of them is reserved for Halo 2 discussion. However, other threads remain active and are not solely about Halo 2. For example, meet-ups with the PMs are still being organized, as well as beekeeper events, contact lists, etc. We're still in the process of distributing swag from ILB events.

Of course, if you had played ILB, you'd be aware that it's more or less inextricable from Halo.

More importantly, however, the community is still active. Until we have an alternate form of reliable communication with each other, I feel the forum should stay up. If we need to up our donations to the site in order to make up for the bandwidth, so be it. Not to mention that this is a very large ARG community, and we were players of the second major ARG by the people who invented the genre. It's likely that the community is going to figure largely in at least one academic paper regarding ARGs that I'm aware of, and I'm not sure whether the people involved with said paper are still watching the community. Plus, there are other ARG-related reasons that I think it's important that the community remain in active communication, and while other venues are slowly being organized, Unfiction remains our main gathering place.

So, I think the relative weightiness of the issues -- the importance of the continued cohesion of the beekeeper community vs. your annoyance at our continued existence -- is vastly disproportionate.

In any case, if the site administrators and moderators decide that the forum should be archived, that's their prerogative.

It is not, however, yours.

I'm not sure how you even have standing to comment, being neither a beekeeper nor someone involved in running Unfiction.

So again, if you don't like it, don't visit.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:43 pm
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L.Boomer
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 		wow a beekeeper badge!!!!
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I'm not sure how you even have standing to comment


I am sorry, I thought that this was a community, I didnt realize I needed a beekeeper badge to have an opinion here. Although I didn't actively participate in ILB I did follow it, and I wholeheartedly agree that it was an amazing piece of work. The writing was incredible and the entire project was really well put together. Thank you for your other wonderful comments though. This was only meant to open a discussion, not to plot the extermination of your boards. (on a side note, boards that are in the archive can still be used.) I have absolutely no power here, and never pretended to, but I have every right to post an opinion.

I do applaud that you were able to voice your thoughts without resorting to impolite language.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:02 pm
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addlepated
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 		I think by "archive" it is meant "consolidate so that there are not seven separate forums for ILB" rather than "put in mothballs and move on".

But I don't think you should have to have a special access card to express an opinion. Confused

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:40 pm
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 		Yeah, the ILB Forums will be consolidated/archived at some point in the not too distant future. As typically happens with these things, discussion dies down, some people move on to other things, some stick around. As new games crop up and take on more traffic, the forums will be shuffled up and reorganized to reflect what's going on.

But as far as I'm aware, just like here in Vegas, there's no forum "last call" per se. It's never closing time around here. Very Happy The ILB forums may be consolidated, but they'll always be around into the foreseeable future. I mean, Cloudmakers' Yahoo Group is still alive and kicking, as is #evanchan, after three years. This indicates how long-lived some of these communities can be.

Sure, this forum is about ARG, but I think the ILB game is unique in that many in the community formed around the ARG are now running around shooting each other and having a blast together in Halo2 multiplayer arenas. This is just one of the unique ways the ILB community has extended itself beyond just these forums.

As for people making requests, that's pretty much how we operate around here, as the admins don't always have time to keep up with every single thing that's going on. When a game warrants being archived, or conversely warrents getting expanded into a subforum, more often then not it's done in response to someone giving us a shout.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:30 pm
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Gestas
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 		Re: Time to Archive Haunted Apiary ?
Edit: I posted this and found vpisteve has just put the official word out! I didn't see it before I started, but since I've already written it, I'll leave it as is, so you can all read a super-redundant post of redundancy!

surferstick wrote:
Let the comments begin!!!!!!!!

Hey surferstick - I have to admit when I first read your post, I was a little put out.

But I realise on re-reading that there was nothing malicious in the post.
I think it's just that for a lot of us, this was our first ARG (either ever, or as one that we participated in fully). That, plus the way it played out, gave people (even the experienced ARGers) a huge sense of community.

And everyone feels a little threatened when their community is questioned in any way. Smile

But, I wouldn't worry too much about the archiving - it and Urban Hunt are already listed with Archive in front of the names, and I'm sure that the moderators have plans in place to shift it at an appropriate time.

As Phaedra mentioned, the Haunted Apiary is still active with ARG-related activities (PM/Voice Actor meetups, a swag lottery, organising alternative contact lists), and it is still generating ARG-related spec (which of course has a tie in with the Halo/Halo2 world).

If I was to hazard a guess, I would say that the moderators will probably be looking at compressing the sections down/moving it to the Archive section just after Christmas. I think they've already disabled file uploading in the Haunted Apiary boards, and leaving it till after Christmas will give everyone a chance to get on contact lists and start tidying things up.

Plus, we'll all have taken a Christmas break (in theory Wink) and will be back here fresh for the new ARGs starting to take centre-stage (Perplex City etc.), so this would be a great time to move it...

Well, that's my spec anyway Very Happy
All the best,

Also - it might not hurt for the producers of the ARG to be able to say to future clients that the ARG still generated intense interest in the product a month or more (possibly much more!) after it concludes. It is a sign of an incredibly successful ARG and marketing campaign, and this can only help provide interest amongst the paying customer for this form of entertainment...

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:38 pm
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 		Hello, this is Phaedra again, but I'm posting under Kali's account because this would be my 777th post and I want to do something special with it back in the ILB forum.

surferstick wrote:
I am sorry, I thought that this was a community, I didnt realize I needed a beekeeper badge to have an opinion here.


It's not that you need to have a badge in order to have an opinion; it's that what you said, I personally feel, violated certain tenets of community respect. For you to show up, not having participated, and announce that since you don't feel that what we're discussing is ARG-relevant, the forum should be archived, seems akin to a stranger walking into a family's house and announcing that the kids are old enough to move out. Neither you in your circumstance nor that analogous stranger in his understand the dynamics of the familial or community group, their circumstances or anything else about how they function. It seemed like an attack on the community, not constructive criticism and I personally do not take kindly to attacks on my people, which the beekeepers have very much become.

I guess what it comes down to is that there's a substantive difference between constructive criticism and rudeness, and that difference often comes down to phrasing.

Unfortunately, we're not telepathic, so we often respond more to the way something was said than the actual literal content.

From your subsequent posts, I understand there's quite a gulf between your intention and my perception, but next time please at least bother to say hello before suggesting that it's time for the kids to get their own place.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:06 pm
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krystyn
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 		Asking for an archive ain't so bad, really. I can see why you got irritated, Phaedra, but an archival request is not a slam on the boards/threads in question.

This, however:
surferstick wrote:
The last time I checked, it has turned into a console game discussion rather than being about ARG's.

is a little funny to me, because the ILB ARG was, after all, a marketing promotional tool for the Halo 2 game release.

I kinda think that with the little bits of other ARGs that get mentioned in passing in some of the ILB threads, and in IRC as well, it behooves us to at least be tolerant of this awful 'console game discussion' for the time being, as it keeps us active and hoppin' here, and I sure do like that.

It's not like those of us who have been active in Halo 2 discussion won't have the wherewithal to find our happiest threads once it's gone all archival. We're ARGers, we're smart like that.

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 		while i'm thinking of it, and since the subject has been brought up, I'd like to suggest that the subcategory for the Halo2 game be split out of the Haunted Apiary at some point in the future. When the ARG aspect of ILB does quiet down to the point of being archived, I am certain that the Halo2 players will still want their little corner to remain active. It should probably be moved under the Various&Sundry category, along with other non-ARG topics of interest such as the prime time television line-up. (Of course, i would never suggest moving it under Timewasters!)

See? a harmless suggestion ;)

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 		I like that idea of a Halo2 forum Cath. But can we make it a general real-time interactive gaming forum (with a way better name!)? Something so that we could coordinate not only Halo 2, but other XBL and multiplayer PC games, and also stuff like ISketch. It doesn't fit as neatly into the V & S and Timewaster forums (and personally I'd hate to see it in the latter, since that would mean that a chunk of my spare time is considered wasted Wink.

Feel free to discuss/flame as appropriate!

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 		Ok, well time to jump into the frey here for no good reason...

I personally think (now is where you all go "Oooh! Aaahh! Wow!") that we should archive the discussions. Now, nothing is stopping anyone from starting one thread in games, rumors, diversions (as I think Halo2 is an excellent diversion from ARGs if there ever was one) as a discussion forum for people who want to keep up with the bees, as it were... however, the ARG part has ended, more than satisfactorily, and really, that's when archiving becomes appropo, IMHO, (which I believe has been echoed by vpisteve too...) So, have at it! Infest the world with genetic mutants- er- um... I mean, yeah, archive the Haunted Apiary! Wink
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 		archive
The idea of archiving with some thread where ilovebees players can still communicate a good one. Obviously a group of players from ilovebees enjoys playing Halo2 and talking about the game. And Jane McGonigal is writing at least one article about ilovebees that hasn't been published yet (at least that is what here website indicates). Other articles may also be forthcoming. All of this argues in favor of leaving a subforum for ilovebees.

Still, this game ended two months ago. If there are continuing ARG aspects, those could presumably be addressed in the same thread. I don't know if anyone is going back through the old posts. And thebruce's creepy site has a good narrative if people want to read something about the progression of the game.

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krystyn
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 		Re: archive
rose wrote:
Still, this game ended two months ago.


Actually, it ended just over a month ago.

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rose
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 		I can't count - timezones still confuse me :D
hahahaha

what can I say- time passes much too slowly between ARGs.

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 		Re: Time to Archive Haunted Apiary ?
Incidentally, a little "heads up" for anyone who, like me, doesn't already know about this: Now that they have archived Haunted Apiary, if you were subscribed to any forums -- not individual threads -- they seem to have been reset, and you must resubscribe to them.
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