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"Aleph meets Starr"
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Eddie Nichols
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 		Coordinates
Nadif wrote:
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About the "aleph meets Star" question, I think that Meak has come out with the best idea so far: Uranus gates+Sun. Nonetheless I wouldn't discard any other theory at the moment, expecially the Aldebaran hypothesis. Anyway, in both cases there's still a problem: we're supposed to find out "WHERE the Aleph meets the star". And nothing so far is pointing at a "place" of any kind. Is it possible that astronomical coordinates are involved?

And another thing: maybe it will turn out to be irrelevant, but I'm still perplexed about the "morve adu" or what-the-hell-it-is part of the voice message. None of the possible spellings of this thing makes any sense: no bell ringing, no relevant matches on google. Any idea? Maybe we should start a new thread if somebody else thinks that it's some kind of hint.


I would agree. In addition, the astronomical coordinates seem like a strong point of research; we've come up with many such as 50 45 and the positions of certain places in-game. Astronomers use coordinates to describe a star's position. If we find a numerical answer, in astronomical coordinates, for the meeting of aleph and star (i.e. midpoint, orbit paths or combination of both, etc.) then we have a code.

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 		since you seem to know something about it, would you also know where to search?
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Eddie Nichols
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 		Celestial coordinates
http://lyra.colorado.edu/sbo/astroinfo/coords/coordinates.html

Perhaps useful. I'm going to continue google'ing for "Celestial coordinates" of taurus and stars and stuff.

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i3izze
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 		Coordinate system used for positioning stars in the sky (spherical polar coordinates).

Angular diameters and angular separations of stars (trig and small angle approximation).

---which one-----

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Eddie Nichols
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 		The Constellation Taurus
My apologies if someone found this already, or it is old hat...

Here's a good sight describing the stars that make up Taurus and everything's position in coordinates, as well as other background info.

http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations/Taurus.html

Might be useful. In fact, the author of this site also includes a lot of information on related constellation topics. Initially most interesting is the 13th zodiacal constellation, as astronomers seem to define the zodiac as the ring of constellations that the Sun seems to pass through each year as the Earth orbits around it. There are the twelve as we know them, but the Sun also passes through Ophiuchus; direct translation: the serpent holder. Can anyone else help elaborate?[/b]

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 		About www.alephstar.com

I agree that the site is not in game, because it doesnīt have the "18 or older" clause and the flash seems a bit different. But I do recommend people visiting it, because there are many concepts being used in the game.

The first: of course, the name of the site. Wink
The second: the symbol of a snake eating its own tail, which appears as soon as you load the page. "Everything seems to end where it begins", I recall the ophis eating its own tail has something to do with alchemy and infinity.
The third: The obvious star that appear after youīve been through the tunnel.
The fourth: The star has six symbols on it. The "north" tip of the star: isnīt that the Fibonacci spiral?

Anyway: even if itīs off-game, the guy who designed the site must have had access to the same source of knowledge about aleph, snakes and so on as the PMs. Thought it could be useful.

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tinneke9
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 		i e-mailed the guy from the website with some questions, maybe he can help Wink
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Meak
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 		Hi guys, one last post before I go to bed (it's been a long day hasn't it?)

I e-mailed the guy who runs the website on the 441 astrological gates:

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Hi there,

I was wondering if you can help me.
I need to find out "where an aleph meets a star".
You seem to be the only person who would know the answer!
I have tried to understand you're diagrams, but I am a little bit lost!
I know the aleph used to be drawn like a bull's head, back in Egyptian
times.
As far as I can see, Taurus bridges the sun at gate number 34.
What does this mean?
Any help would be much appreciated!

Meak


and he sent his reply:

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Hi Meak,

One place you could look for an answer is on the 'Tree of Life' diagram. In
Crowley's tarot assignments Aleph (i.e. the Fool) and The Star meet in the
sephirah Hockmah.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Patrick


This guy obviously knows a lot more about this stuff than we do, and so I am going to follow up this sephirah Hockmah tomorrow
(BTW sephirah or hockmah are not passwords for Jon's S+S contract... I tried)

Good Night

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Daysun
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 		Aleph mention in Hilbert's Hotel flash page
Remembered this from earlier... in the guest book for Hilbert's Hotel there is a mention of the Aleph...

"I came here to discuss the use of the Aleph in Mathematical philosophy. I must say it was a most enlightening experience and will Never forget it. As far as Hilbert's went, I find Wonderfully appropriate. Although you can't help feeling that there is more around the Corner."

And of course, the Hilbert's Hotel logo has a star above it.

Hmmmm.....

I AM IN A HIWAC.

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 		This Tree of Life is really an interesting clue. I found this site, which has been quite useful.

http://www.byzant.com/kabbalah/paths.asp

It shows the Tree of Life (a Cabalah concept), where each circle (sephirah) and path is represented either by a hebrew letter (Aleph fits in this category) or a tarot card (The Star). The only problem in the diagram of the Tree of Life is that the Aleph DOESNīT meet the Star. The Aleph (The Fool) is between sephiroth 1 and 2 while the Star (Tzaddi) is between sephiroth 7 and 9. Bummer.

Well, thankfully Aleister Crowley has come to the rescue. In his studies, he suggests that the Star and the Emperor should be switched (you can check it here): http://www.tarotforum.net/archive/index.php/t-9702.html. This way, the Star would connect paths 2 and 6. And then, the aleph and the star would meet at sephirah 2: Chockmah, according to most sources (although a few people call it Hockmah, as Patrick e-mailed Meak)

So (c)Hockmah it is, apparently. I didnīt e-mail Jon, used this as a password or anything. But, I think using Crowley in a game of this nature would be very plausible.

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 		Another look at [c]ho[c]kmah is found here:
http://www.byzant.com/kabbalah/sefira.asp?number=2
Interesting corellations = widsom & illuminating intellegence ("think harder" at the mezzanine)
http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/tol/chokmah.shtml
Lots of stuff but I can't make any of it work any where.

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Nadif
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 		Aleph meets Stas: the story so far
First of all: Meak and Groovy, thumbs up! The "Tree of Life" theory is totally convincing; as a matter of fact, when I tried "(c)ho(h)kmah" (yes, 4 possible spellings) as a password for Jon's contract and for the mezzanine door I was almost sure it was going to work... but it didn't. Bugger.
Anyway, the whole thing is far too consistent with our "Aleph meets Star" clue to be just a coincidence. There's definitely something here for us. Let's keep working on it. In fact, maybe we DID find the right answer with "hockmah", but we're using it in the wrong way or the wrong place... I'm really trying to understand what we're supposed to do with the answer when we find it, and what the "usual channels" are. Maybe we should email him? I don't know, I don't think that's what we're expected to do.

There's another thing.
I've been working on the other possible theory for "aleph meets Star", the Taurus\Aldebaran thing.
As already said, the Hebrews called Aldebaran "Aleph", and "Aleph" was/is also the name for the Taurus constellation. What else? Aldebaran is the 13th brightest star in the sky, and I remember someone here posting something about a 13th constellation; I don't know if there's a connection, but that remembered me the still mysterious "13/13/2003" date in the Trident site.
Anyway: I tried to analyze Aldebaran's coordinates, and the R.A. looked quite interesting: 4h 35m 55.2s = 4h35m552s, a string compatible with the 9-digit, letters-and-numbers login IDs for S&S; I tried but it didn't work. Again, bugger.

Oh, and one last random and probably stupid piece of mind: I found out some sites coupling Hebrews letters and constellations, and they say that the constellation corresponding to Aleph is actually Lyra, the Lyre; and indeed Lyra has the shape of an Aleph/Alpha letter. And I can't help thinking that the Lyre was the instrument that allowed Orpheus to be the only living being to pass the Acheron, charme Cerberus and Charon and the King of the underworld himself, and return amongst the living ones... And we have S+S at Acheron and some Cerberus to bypass...

Oh jeez, that's probably a lot of cr@p altogether. The problem with occultism and myths and such is that, literaly, one can attach any meaning to anything with a little effort.

We're overthinking; with great ideas, but probably overthinking.
I guess we already have it in our hands. Gotta find where to use it.


M.

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 		The alephstar.com link, though most likely OOG gave me another idea (By seeing Tyrell Corp.) Did a lot of searching, but to no avail up to now:

Pathwaytravel has, as "other destinations", the Thannhauser Gate. AFAIK only mentioned in Blade Runner (I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near Thannhauser Gate)

Maybe anyone has some deeper insight into "Blade Runner", in which star system it's meant to be?
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 		AFAIK, the tannhauser gate is purely fictional. iīve checked several astronomy forus on that.
but another place, tunguska, does exist. itīs a river in sibiria, where in 1908 a VERY big explosion occured in the sky. the origins of that explosion are still unknown.

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 		just for colouring our search..
i don't think it is going to help us directly with finding the answer for jon, but here is a page that gives some information about the fool. the fool is represented in the first tarotcart, the aleph, the zero. he respresents god before he started to create. i remembered we have to do with the devil here, trying to collect souls (hell versus heaven). i presume the book of stars is giving an answer how to beat the devil. but i think it's a dead end, since the state of god the fool represents (before the beginning) there was no star to find in the universe...

http://www.globalseek.net/CaLeNDaR/TaRoT/fool.html

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