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[HALO2] - Legislation on sales of video games to minors GDC
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water10 wrote:
I'm on the 3rd camp. A rating system that parents could use to make their decision is alright though.

I think it's just almost impossible to keep kids from reaching these things if they really want to!


You're definitely right about not being able to keep every kid from buying the games they're too young for, but I think it would deter a majority of them. It might not stop the kid who's hell bent on getting the game, but it'll stop most of the others. No law ever stopped everyone who intended to commit a crime, but if the punishment is severe enough, it will at least make most of the population think twice about it.

I'm still not seeing how this would be a bad idea. It seem to me that anything that will give the parents more control over what their kids are exposed to is a good thing.

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krystyn wrote:
Yeah, I had issues with the usage of 'censor,' mos def.


Me too. My reason for using the word censor is that there is a group of folks out there that follow this logic:

"Rating a game is censorship by proxy; ratings create a stigma around a game, which leads to malinformed people not coming into contact with it or even actively rejecting it based solely on said rating. Secondly, enforcing a rating will keep some (albeit children) from accessing a game, vis-a-vis censorship."

I don't figure too many of us will feel that way, but one never knows.
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No law ever stopped everyone who intended to commit a crime, but if the punishment is severe enough, it will at least make most of the population think twice about it.

True. But then again, punishment will not be severe to the kids. And forbidden things are attractive to kids ... And to be clear, I'm on the 3rd camp, but I'd be ok with 2nd camp, as long as there's not a lot of fuss about this like the whole GTA thing ... Really, GTA wouldn't be the success it is now if it wasn't for the whole discussion around it! No, I'm not discussing if GTA is good or not ...
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 		I can't control what parents allow their children do, but I can control my own contribution. Should I try to avoid playing M-rated games with children? I wouldn't need to know the other players' exact age --that would probably violate the COPA regulations, anyway. I would just need some way to know whether a given player is over a certain age. To what extent should I be allowed or able to decline to play with children? What responsiblity does XBox Live have to enable me to filter my game play by player age and by game rating?
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 		I'm not even going to comment on this liberal nonsense. Just food for thought.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/16/news_6118699.html
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drseuss90 wrote:
I'm not even going to comment on this


OK.

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liberal nonsense.


Um, wouldn't that be a comment?

Odd.

And what constitutes "liberal nonsense"? As I see it, the range of opinions expressed or discussed here includes those that might be categorized as "liberal," as well as those that might be characterized as "conservative," and even one that might be characterized as "libertarian."

But I'm really not sure what good trying to place them on a political spectrum does anyway.

Is it really necessary to start throwing political labels into the stew? Can't we just discuss positions?

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 		Alright, would it make you feel better if I said I think the lawsuit stated in the previous article is BS and I hope none of the companies involved settle?

As far as liberal nonsense, I wouldnt say the article itself is "liberal nonsense", but the lawsuit is. I just wonder how some people get away with stuff like that sometimes.

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Is it really necessary to start throwing political labels into the stew? Can't we just discuss positions?


By discussing positions, aren't you inevitably going to throw labels into the stew? Whether they are specifically mentioned or not, they'll be there.
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drseuss90 wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
Is it really necessary to start throwing political labels into the stew? Can't we just discuss positions?


By discussing positions, aren't you inevitably going to throw labels into the stew? Whether they are specifically mentioned or not, they'll be there.


Yes, but the way political labels are being used these days, they bring more baggage into the discussion than is necessary, and often, people have different ideas about what constitutes "liberal" or "conservative" -- alas, the classical definitions of the terms seem to have been forgotten by most people. Since there's plenty of nonsense going on with both people who call themselves "liberal" and people who call themselves "conservative," perhaps the discussion here should best be kept to video games and ratings?

The broad term "liberal nonsense," or, for that matter, "conservative nonsense" seems to me, in this context, to be unnecessarily inflammatory.

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Phaedra wrote:
The broad term "liberal nonsense," or, for that matter, "conservative nonsense" seems to me, in this context, to be unnecessarily inflammatory.

And inflammation is bad .... trust me Wink
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 		Nevertheless, it is not my problem how you or anyone else choose to define the term "liberal". I will go ahead and stand by my "liberal nonsense" comment. I don't doubt that the viewpoint that video games can cause a crime is nothing less than a liberal view point, and thus, I think I am justified using the term "liberal". "Nonsense" would be an opinion of mine, and you can argue that if you wish.

I felt this thread was a appropriate place to post such an article and didn't feel it necessary to start a new thread. That said, feel free to ignore such a post or discuss it. It makes no difference to me.
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drseuss90 wrote:
Nevertheless, it is not my problem how you or anyone else choose to define the term "liberal". I will go ahead and stand by my "liberal nonsense" comment. I don't doubt that the viewpoint that video games can cause a crime is nothing less than a liberal view point, and thus, I think I am justified using the term "liberal". "Nonsense" would be an opinion of mine, and you can argue that if you wish.

I felt this thread was a appropriate place to post such an article and didn't feel it necessary to start a new thread. That said, feel free to ignore such a post or discuss it. It makes no difference to me.


<sigh> Fine.

weephun wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
The broad term "liberal nonsense," or, for that matter, "conservative nonsense" seems to me, in this context, to be unnecessarily inflammatory.

And inflammation is bad .... trust me Wink


<nods in agreement>

Inflammation is bad juju.

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<goes to get icepack for neck>

Bad juju.

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 		ANYWAY ... Good post, great article, perfect relevance, slight disagreement on terms used. 3-1 for the happy side Very Happy Wink

I personally think that a lot of people are just looking for someone else to blame, someone else's money, or some kind of closure for the horrible tragedy that just occured in their lives. I don't know that I wouldn't feel the same urge to lash out at whomever I could if something like this were to happen to me. I hope I could remain more rational than that, but I think I can understand where they might be coming from.
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 		No doubt it was a horrible thing that happened. I feel for the cops involved and their families, but who really do we have to blame other than the person who commited the act?

The article on gamespot isnt that in depth, and there is no mention of the family of the kid who commited the crime, to be involved in the law suit. I wonder if the parents are also being sued.....

Man, I've been responding pretty fast today, I must be really bored at work today.
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Man, I've been responding pretty fast today, I must be really bored at work today.
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weephun wrote:

I personally think that a lot of people are just looking for someone else to blame,someone else's money, or some kind of closure for the horrible tragedy that just occured in their lives.


I think you hit on something very important there. We haven't really discussed the driving force behind all of this: MONEY. Whether it's the game developers, video game retail stores, game rental stores, etc, they are all concerned about making money first, and the everything else second. Think about the effect the discussed legislation would have on video game sales figures. They would drop. Thus the above mentioned profiteers would not like to see legislation in the first place. It's hard for them to put morals above money, especially when the morals are costing them money.
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