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 		From TeamXbox.com:
César A. Berardini wrote:

AnandTech, one of the leading IT sources for hardware analysis and industry news, today published his latest editorial explaining the basics of the Cell, the highly anticipated microprocessor that will power the next generation console from Sony and a vast range of consumer electronics.

The Cell processor is a joint project between IBM, Sony and Toshiba. The three companies plan to use the chip in different products. Sony Corporation expects to launch home servers for broadband content as well as HDTV systems powered by the Cell in 2006. Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. also expects to launch its next generation computer entertainment system powered by the Cell in 2006 and Toshiba envisions diverse applications for the Cell and expects to launch its first Cell-based product, a high-definition television (HDTV), in 2006.

IBM has announced its plans to begin pilot production of Cell microprocessors at its 300mm wafer fabrication facility in East Fishkill, NY during the first half of 2005. The first computing application IBM plans for the Cell is the Cell processor-based workstation it is developing with Sony Computer Entertainment, aimed to act as a development kit for the next PlayStation. But it could be possible that this is not the only appliance in which The Blue Giant plans to use the Cell.

According to Anand, there might be chance the next generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft end up sharing the same Power architecture core developed by IBM. Here is an excerpt:

The Cell architecture debuted in a configuration of 9 independent cores: one PowerPC Processing Element (PPE) and eight Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). The PPE and SPEs are obviously different, but all eight SPEs are identical to one another.



The PPE is IBM's major contribution to the Cell project. It also appears to be very similar to the core being used in the next Xbox console, meaning that IBM's commitment to Cell isn't necessarily to see it used in everything from consumer electronics to PCs, just the two major game consoles.

Could it be possible that the next generation Xbox is powered by a multi-core processor that feature two or more of these PPEs? Since IBM might be the wholly responsible developer for the Power architecture part, it might also have the rights to license its technology to any company, including Sony's competitors Microsoft and Nintendo.



In the picture: The POWER5 processor featuring eight cores, an example of a multi-core design on a single die (also known as "SMP on a chip," or "system on a chip").

So although Microsoft can't use the Cell processor, which is made of one PPE and eight SPEs, it might have licensed the PPE core to create a processor that features several PPEs. This would be what is known in the industry as a "system on a chip", which is basically putting various processors on a single die. A recent Tom's Hardware interview with J. Allard suggests so:

You know the PC industry is going multi-core. One thing that I didn't mention during the keynote is that all of our Alpha kits are actually based on Macintosh G5 dual-processors. So for the last year, developers have been using our operating system, our APIs, connecting to our service, using our controllers, and thinking different with dual-processor G5s. It turns out that there are two different chips in the Mac, but we are going to put them on the same die.

To read the complete Cell processor article by Anandtech, click here. The first part of the interview with J. Allard that Tom's Hardware ran at GDC can be found here.

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Grifter_7 wrote:
From TeamXbox.com:
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haha! right, so then Master Cat goes to.... oh wait.... your post wasn't funny
dangit Grifter! no matter how hard we try to get this thread to drift permanently, someone like you has to go and kill our buzz......... meanie Razz
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Grifter_7 wrote:
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César A. Berardini wrote:

haha! right, so then Master Cat goes to.... oh wait.... your post wasn't funny
dangit Grifter! no matter how hard we try to get this thread to drift permanently, someone like you has to go and kill our buzz......... meanie Razz


Haha... I meant to write that I thought that Anton P. Nym's picture was awesome and that Master Cat could kick Mister Chief's @$$ any day of the week. To bad there isn't an English to Japanese translator on here.. I could really have fun with that.
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 		Looks like Xbox Next (I refuse to call it by that circle name... bleh) is going to be quite the monster. Looking foward to seeing the final result.

-- Steve's glad you liked the picture, and is now wondering if he should've dropped some text into the code or something for that extra flash-back-inducing effect.
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 		All of the names I've seen so far have been pretty awful... the only one that I can even bring myself to say (besides "Xbox 2," anyway) is Xenon.

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All of the names I've seen so far have been pretty awful... the only one that I can even bring myself to say (besides "Xbox 2," anyway) is Xenon.


Yeah, the only one that I can really stomach so far is "NextBox" which I'm surprised the test groups didn't like.
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 		I just really wish they would call it "Xenon". It would just make things easier on very one...

And if the system was bad...we could just say that they were full of gas Very Happy
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 		From SPOnG:

SPOnG wrote:

SPOnG has received emails that indicate a complete withdrawal of Xbox hardware in the coming months, with claims surfacing today of a total end to generation one Xbox production.

According to senior sources within publishing, retailers are being instructed not to list Xbox hardware in their next catalogue publications. "They are telling us that they have reached their targets and want to clear the way for the next machine," we were told, with our source speaking under terms of anonymity. "It's reached the point where the amount of money they lose per unit, combined with the fact that they might well eat into their own [Xbox 360] market share, means that continuing the run is just not feasible."

Of course the big question remains of exactly how many Xbox hardware units are still available. "There are only two million units left and no more will be produced," continued our source. "There are 400,000 allocated for the whole of the European territory. After that there will be no more. It was confirmed to me that Microsoft has no plans to manufacture the original Xbox once the new console hits the market."

However, Microsoft has indicated to key retailers that it plans to having around a million Xbox 360 hardware units available in time for Christmas of 2005, as reported by MCV last week and recently confirmed to SPOnG.

Microsoft's official line on the matter is that the Xbox supply situation will improve, offering a six week wait-and-see window to retailers. Some cynics may argue that six weeks brings the welcome distraction of a 360-powered E3 show in Los Angeles. The Windows giant also claimed that manufacture of the original Xbox unit continues, although this end-of-cycle production run is likely to comprise the two million figure offered by our source today.


So what does all this mean? Guaranteed backwards compatiblity on the Xbox 360.
If the life cycle of the Xbox is done after the current supply, then M$ runs the risk of having tons of Xbox Games (Where M$ makes all it's money) for sale but no new systems to run the game on. Therefore they must have backwards compatibility on the Xbox 360 to run the games that they will be sellling for the Xbox. This would force all new gamers to buy Xbox 360s in order to play all the games that come out at the end of the Xbox life cycle.
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 		From CNN:

CNN wrote:
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Calling this year's E3 the biggest video game show in the industry's history might sound like hyperbole run amuck. For once, though, it appears the hype might be justified.

When the show (formally named the Electronic Entertainment Expo) kicks off May 18, more than 400 companies will cover more than 540,000 square feet, showing off new games, new consoles and new gaming gadgets.

The new consoles will get the lion's share of the spotlight, for obvious reasons. But software publishers have a few surprises up their sleeves that may shift the focus back to games by the time the show wraps up. (Before you start planning your trip, I should point out that E3 is closed to the general public. We'll have full coverage next month here at CNN/Money, though.)

Microsoft has the most riding on this year's show. On Monday, two days before E3 officially begins, the company will finally take the wraps off of its next generation Xbox (which will almost certainly be named Xbox 360). Microsoft hopes the new machine will help it unseat Sony from its long-held industry leader position, which won't be an easy feat.

While there are still plenty of mysteries surrounding Xbox 360, a few details have leaked out. All games will be optimized for high definition televisions. All will have some online functionality. And the graphics engine will be more powerful than anything on the market today.

A hard drive is still a possibility. And Microsoft (Research) is working hard to make the machine backward compatible with current Xbox games, though that hasn't been easy due to a change in hardware vendors.

Things like price and launch date have been kept under wraps. Expect those to come right before the show.

Don't expect Sony to shy from a fight, though. The company will unveil the first details about its next generation PlayStation just prior to the start of E3 – and after Microsoft has spilled its beans. Since the PlayStation 3 (or whatever Sony decides to name it) isn't due out until 2006, though, don't expect to hear all the details.

Instead, Sony (Research) will likely focus on new games for the just-released PSP and holiday titles for the PS2.

The story will be much the same at Nintendo, which is expected to highlight new games for the DS, along with the highly anticipated "Legend of Zelda" for the GameCube. The company will, however, give the first details on its next generation home system, currently code-named "Revolution". As with Sony, though, don't expect to know all of the answers.

"This year's E3 is not Revolution's coming out party," Reggie Fils-Aime, executive vice president of sales and marketing for Nintendo of America told me last month.

So much for hardware; what about the games? Well, in terms of AAA titles, it looks to be a banner crop.

Obviously, with the introduction of the new Xbox, we'll get our first real glimpse of several next generation titles, including "Perfect Dark Zero" from Rare, which has been in the works for several years, and "The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion". Also, don't be surprised if Electronic Arts has a next gen version of "The Godfather" on display alongside with versions for current systems.

Action fans could be facing a banner year. id Software confirmed to me that E3 2005 will be the world's first chance to see "Quake 4" in action. The game (which will be published by Activision (Research)) is a direct sequel to "Quake II," with a multiplayer experience that resembles "Quake III: Arena".

The show's biggest surprise, though, will likely be the revelation of "Prey". Gamers first heard of "Prey" in 1997. The game, originally about a Native American who fights several nefarious alien races, was thought to be cancelled, but quietly restarted a few years ago. The new version will use the "Doom 3" graphics engine and is said to be a visually striking title. There's no word on whether the story has changed.

3D Realms, makers of the popular "Duke Nukem" series, originally worked on "Prey," but word is they have handed development to a third party and are overseeing work on the game. Take Two Interactive Software (Research) is the likely publisher for the game, given its relationship with 3D Realms, but has not made any announcements.

Also keep your eyes open for a new edition of "Unreal Tournament" (which likely won't ship until next year) and perhaps even another new title from developer Epic Software.

Lara Croft fans will see yet another incantation of the buxom heroine as Eidos (Research) shows the newly revamped "Tomb Raider: Legend". The newly red-headed and less buxom Lara will return to her tomb raiding roots in this game after her ill-fated journey into the streets of Paris and Prague in 2003's "Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness". Series creator Toby Gard, who hasn't worked on a "Tomb Raider" game since the original, is overseeing work on this one.

"Sims" creator Will Wright unveiled his next project last month to an audience of game developers. In May, it will likely get a more public debut. "Spore" is quite unlike anything most gamers have seen before. Ostensibly, it's a simulation game – but one that lets you control life on any scale imaginable. You'll be in charge of a creature's evolution from primordial ooze to advanced space technology.

It's an ambitious gamble, but one that has got tongues wagging all over the industry.

And, finally, let us not forget the sequel to "Katamari Damacy," for my money one of 2004's most surprising and enjoyable console games.

And that's no hyperbole.

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 		here's hoping this sends the price on used PS2s down.
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 		From Team Xbox(Text Below) and MSN(Video of Interview):
Team Xbox wrote:

Soon after the GDC keynote, G4TV landed an exclusive interview with J Allard. In the interview, G4TV's Geoff Keighley tried to get as many details as possible regarding the next Xbox. When asked about backward compatibility in the Xbox successor, Allard tried to evade the question with some subtle answers. We can only conclude by his mysterious replies that either there will be backward compatibility on the Xbox successor or at least the rumored Halo 2.5…

Here is an extract of the interview:

What about those kick ass Halo 2 players who wanna be able to continue their reputation on the next Xbox? What if they can't play that game?

J. Allard: We'll have something for those kick ass Halo 2 players on the next system.


So you'll be able to play Halo 2 on Xbox 2?

J. Allard: We'll have something for those kick ass Halo 2 players in the next generation.


Is the next generation Xbox going to be backwards compatible or not?

J. Allard: You keep asking a question I'm not going to answer Geoff. Does that satisfy you?

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 		Did you guys read this:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/06/news_6121811.html

I know there's a topic discussing ourcolony on the news&rumor section and this link has been posted there. But most people here are not following that, myself included. Besides, it might be related to the xbox2 (or whatever it'll be called), so a link should be posted here.
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water10 wrote:
Did you guys read this:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/06/news_6121811.html

I know there's a topic discussing ourcolony on the news&rumor section and this link has been posted there. But most people here are not following that, myself included. Besides, it might be related to the xbox2 (or whatever it'll be called), so a link should be posted here.


I'm in. Anyone else going to play this ARG? Do we want to join up with the ARGolonists or create an ILB colony?

Cross Link to [Team-based puzzling] Our Colony Post
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 		I'm up for starting our own colony. I'm more a part of the ILB community than ARGs as a whole.

edit: uhh... I think I killed ourcolony... I think I guessed the right password but just get server errors.

another edit: I'm in now. Now that I look at it more, it might be best just to join the ARGolonists, given the point based scheme and us coming in late.

yet another edit: Their server seems to be verrrry overloaded today.
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 		ARGolonists it is! If you'd like to join the Password for ARGolonists is 96292816.
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